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New Can't mail mom: AOL blocks DUL/DSL mailservers

As I'm currently hosted on Peter's NTL DSL line, I'm affected. First alert on [link|http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2003-April/006046.html|linux-elitists], partial confirmation (though the story neglects to mention the collateral damage) [link|http://news.com.com/2100-1024-994992.html|here]. Guess whose mom is an AOL user....

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Testing a port 25 (SMTP) connection to AOL, I get the following (that's fixed font, not <pre>, Scott).

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\r\n\r\n[karsten@ganymede:karsten]$ dig mx aol.com
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\r\n; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mx aol.com
\r\n;; global options:  printcmd
\r\n;; Got answer:
\r\n;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2048
\r\n;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 13
\r\n
\r\n;; QUESTION SECTION:
\r\n;aol.com.                       IN      MX
\r\n
\r\n;; ANSWER SECTION:
\r\naol.com.                1651    IN      MX      15 mailin-02.mx.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                1651    IN      MX      15 mailin-03.mx.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                1651    IN      MX      15 mailin-04.mx.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                1651    IN      MX      15 mailin-01.mx.aol.com.
\r\n
\r\n;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
\r\naol.com.                2905    IN      NS      dns-06.ns.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                2905    IN      NS      dns-07.ns.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                2905    IN      NS      dns-01.ns.aol.com.
\r\naol.com.                2905    IN      NS      dns-02.ns.aol.com.
\r\n
\r\n;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       152.163.224.26
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       205.188.156.122
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       64.12.136.57
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       64.12.137.89
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       64.12.137.184
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       64.12.138.57
\r\nmailin-01.mx.aol.com.   146     IN      A       64.12.138.152
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.138.89
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.138.120
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.136.89
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.136.121
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.137.89
\r\nmailin-02.mx.aol.com.   163     IN      A       64.12.137.184
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\r\n;; Query time: 134 msec
\r\n;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
\r\n;; WHEN: Sat Apr 12 22:48:26 2003
\r\n;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 427
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\r\n[karsten@ganymede:karsten]$ telnet mailin-02.mx.aol.com 25
\r\nTrying 64.12.138.120...
\r\nConnected to xm.mx.aol.com.
\r\nEscape character is '^]'.
\r\n550-The IP address you're using to connect to AOL is either open to the
\r\n550-free relaying of e-mail, is serving as an open proxy, or is a dynamic
\r\n550-(residential) IP address.  AOL cannot accept further e-mail
\r\n550-transactions from your server until either your server is closed to free
\r\n550-relaying/proxy, or your ISP removes your IP address from their list of
\r\n550-dynamic IP addresses. For additional information, please visit
\r\n550 http://postmaster.info.aol.com.
\r\nConnection closed by foreign host.
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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New AOL does not accept dhcp pooled addresses?
My first question is why a particular ISP is providing lists of dhcp served addresses to AOL. I dont think off the top of my head whether a DSL serving router either Cisco or Unisphere provide header info that would identify it as such. Unless they have determined by trial and error that certain ISPs have relay enabled hosts behind them and block the entire segment. Strange to say the least.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New BINGO... give that man a CIGAR!
AOL is using HUGE swipes to BLOTOUT SPAM.

Therefore any "block" of ADDRS that have offenders... previous or present...

Karsten... Iffn you need to ... you know what you can do.
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - IT Grand-Master for President
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|2004, the year Microsoft develops for Linux ]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
The DHS [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Cyberer-Stratergery]. The ultimate in Cyber.
New Appreciated.
But that don't help *me* :-)


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New The solution: block AOL

Turnabout's fair play.

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After all, the vast majority of any mail I receive from an AOL account is spam. Hmm... Of some 5417 spam items, 75 are spam. And there is only one person I know with an AOL account who'd be adversely affected. So it's obviously a big win for me. Right?

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Not just AOL
MAPS has been black-holing dynamically assigned address blocks for a while. Not sure when they started but I've run into the block several times with arbitrary ISPs early last year.
New Difference

MAPS is advisory. AOL takes direct effect.

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With MAPS, you can query to see if an IP is in a dialup range, and then decide what you're going to do about it, including deciding that you're going to give it lower priority, scan it, block it, etc. AOL is taking that option away by simply blindly blocking all mail.

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I'm strongly inclined to suggest that the independents start refusing AOL mail in retaliation.

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New This seems to be...
General effect that this has Companies doing. *OH* you have an AOL address... Sorry we don't allow e-mail from AOL, which has historically BAD SPAM mailings... either with thousands of recipients or just plain sheer number of annoyances.


I can say, companies such as Meijer, Gordon Food Services, [Sc]Amway all use RBL and MAPS and score appropriately based on them. Those three corporations together have ~200K e-mail addresses and have been hit badly in the past... I personally have help Gordon Food Services and Meijer fix the open-relays they have had in the past... Both of them were misconfigured Checkpoint Firewalls...

But NOOOOO>>>> the Network Admins *KNEW* what they are doing HAD TO BE the Mailservers...

So I captured Packets on *MY* end and they capture on the mailserver... I provided them with a TIME server we all could sync to... therefore they could prove the mail-servers were at fault...

I setup to use thier IP address to relay mail... actually sent *THEM* e-mail at the same time to make them think they CAUGHT IT... well umm... sorry... The Checkpoint smtp server answered the WHOLE conversation... and forwarded the e-mail on... rather than do a port-forward to the REAL servers... After all was said and done, I ended up teaching "Senior Networking Veteran Administrators" alot about Checkpoint Firewalls and how to use them... it's all in the Order... and READ about the options iffn you aren't sure. They thought "allow forwarding/relaying" mail only meant for *THIER* stuff... Wrongo... Now they understand why it's a good thing to use portforwarding and DNAT (Destination Network Address Translation) and SNAT (Source Network Address Translation)...

Best part was... one Corporation refer'd the other to me... to help. Same EXACT problem... Know-It-All "Network Admins" and a Checkpoint Firewall... being misconfigured...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - IT Grand-Master for President
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|2004, the year Microsoft develops for Linux ]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
The DHS [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Cyberer-Stratergery]. The ultimate in Cyber.
New ROFL hafta remember that one a lot of people
dont quite get what allow can mean and dont allways look it up.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New Virtuosity is its own reward
Now.. if there's this much confusion within a Very-logical "profession" like IT...
[which means simply, "they profess.. to know stuff" - no more no less.]

Imagine how it is with, say worldwide nuclear proiferation:
math, physics, chem, government-speak, politics, intrigue, dissembling, sociology, $$$$, Power, psych ... zoology.




Are We Safe Yet?
New InternetNews: AOL Accused of Collateral Damage in Spam War

My preferred quote, "AOL is redlining the Internet" wasn't used. But [link|http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/2190331|here's the story].

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Erin Joyce:

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America Online's latest battle in the spam wars has sparked criticism from online groups who say its policy of blocking e-mail from dynamically-assigned IP addresses is creating too much collateral damage with legitimate e-mail relay users.

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Online discussion sites such as slashdot.org have been piling up postings lately over AOL's recent move to block residential broadband users on AT&T/Comcast's system from using public relay mail channels in order to reach AOL members with e-mail.

\r\n\r\nAOL spokesman Nicholas Graham said the effort, which began in late March, has helped it reduce its spam complaints in some instances by 90 percent. "We have been working cooperatively, with a range of broadband providers to mutually identify dynamic IP addresses of their customers not using proper e-mail relays to send AOL members e-mails," he told internetnews.com.\r\n\r\n

...

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But as a result, complain critics, residential and especially small businesses that use residential broadband accounts to send e-mails with differnet addresses than that of their ISPs are blocked out too.

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The issue is increasingly pitting commercial ISP providers' anti-spam efforts against online groups who bridle at the notion of a large, commercial ISPs taking unilaterial measures to block who can send mail and who can't.

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It goes against the codes of conduct about e-mail and networking, said Karsten Self, who demon strated the blocked header he received when he tried to e-mail an AOL member from his DSL connection.

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...

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Not "a member". My own dear mum!

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New You demon strated it.
or was that daemon strated it?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation

Erin Joyce butchered my comments, making me appear to be a spammer/bulk mailer, and to be speaking on behalf of spammer, open-relay maintainers, and commercial speach. I've just sent her and her editor the following response, with a request it be posted as a follow-up to her story.

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Erin:

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I've read your story on the AOL dynamic IP SMTP block. You've badly\r\nmisrepresented my comments, implying that I'm a mass mailer (I'm not), and\r\nthat this is an issue only affecting those who use mail relays or send\r\nlarge quantities of mail (it's not). It is about family, friends, club\r\nmembers, and small businesses being denied email delivery due to the\r\narbitrary and unadvertised discriminatory practices of AOL, breaking norms\r\nof interconnectivity on the Internet, and doing relatively little to\r\neffectively combat spam.

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I'm requesting publication of this letter as a followup to your\r\nessay.

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You quote me saying "AOL is violating a standard of people sending large\r\nquantities of mail". I did not say this. It strongly implies that the\r\n"people sendin large quantities of email" is me -- if there's any truth to\r\nthe comment, it's AOL that is handling large quantities of email\r\non behalf of others, and failing to behave responsibly when changing its\r\nemail policies in ways that have a huge effect on the ability to send email\r\nto AOL accounts. Whom it has failed to inform of its policy changes, which\r\nhave a huge effect on the ability to send mail to AOL accounts. I'm Joe\r\nInternet User: I send personal mail and mailing list messages on a dialy\r\nbasis to friends, family, and associates. Your story paints a deceptive\r\npicture of myself and my statements.

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What I said is that AOL is violating two concepts:

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  • That of an open Internet, in which connections between any two points\r\nare not prejudicially refused on arbitrary grounds. The specific words I\r\nused were "AOL is redlining the Internet". The actions AOL is taking to\r\ncombat spam is to refuse service to an entire class of Internet\r\naddresses...with no demonstrated evidence that the addresses in question\r\nare the source of spam. As I told you over the phone this morning, I\r\nchecked the IP address of the sending host in this case, at AOL's\r\nwebsite, AOL reported the address as clean. AOL is blocking an address,\r\nand cannot tell me why.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • That of managing services on behalf of the 35 million or so AOL\r\ncustomers in a responsible manner. I spoke with my mother (the "AOL\r\nmember" your story mentions me mailing) about this issue Sunday night.\r\nShe was unaware of AOL's policy, and of the fact that my mail to her was\r\nbouncing. I suspect she's highly typical of other AOL customers in this\r\nregard. Several posts to my original Slashdot article indicated that\r\nother individuals, groups (a Rotary club), and small businesses (a\r\nconsultancy pursuing a $50,000 contract) were unable to send mail to AOL\r\ncustomers, customers who were unaware the mail was being blocked. While\r\nspam is annoying, the costs of an individual spam message are low. The\r\ncosts of an undelivered legitimate mail are far, far higher, and AOL's\r\nindiscriminate ban is incurring this cost.
  • \r\n
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You also write "[Karsten] said AOL needs to create more effective\r\nfilters for the problem, rather than block groups of e-mail senders who use\r\nrelay channels to send bulk mail."

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Again: this isn't about sending bulk mail. It's about sending\r\nany mail. Sons to mothers. Club members to one another. Businesses\r\nto clients. Friends to friends. That's what AOL is blocking. That is the\r\ncollateral damage AOL is creating. The network addresses AOL is selecting\r\nfor blockage need have no history or indication of use for spam, or even\r\nsolicited bulk mail. As I've said: I checked my own IP address (and not\r\njust at AOL's site). According to the sources I've used, the only thing I'm\r\nguilty of is using a dynamically alloted cable Internet connection. As are\r\nthe others being similarly blocked.

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I acknowledge that spam is a problem. As I mentioned, I receive 20-80\r\nitems daily myself, and have ways to deal with them. There are\r\ntools to make spam manageable, available to both individuals and users. AOL\r\nhas lagged badly among major ISPs in offering useful spam tools to its\r\ncustomers. Doubly ironic as the spam filtering built into the Mozilla /\r\nNetscape Internet application are among the best there are.

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I'm also not against denying access to selected blocks of IP addresses,\r\nif those addresses are directly responsible for spam [RetroEdit: should make clear I'm talking about the administrative block as a whole. Feh, you always find one more thing to change....]. It\r\nmay even be appropriate to block very large swathes of the Internet, if\r\nthere is no meaningful response from the parties administering those\r\nsystems. As a systems and mail administrator, I'm very much aware of the\r\nspam that would issue from Asian addresses, particularly South Korean\r\nprimary and secondary schools following a "wire the classroom" initiative.\r\nFor a long time, complaints to the administrators of such sites would go\r\nunanswered...if you could even identify the responsible party (the Internet\r\nregistry for Asia has been a wretched mess).

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This is not the same as stating that dynamic IP\r\nconnections -- responsible, irresponsible, spam sources, or spanking clean\r\n-- can't send email. Blocking irresponsible or unresponsive netblocks is a\r\nquid pro quo response for careless use (or wanton abuse) of an Internet\r\nresource. Banning a class of network addresses indiscriminately is simply a\r\nform of electronic apartheid, leading to further ghettoization of the\r\nInternet. While some tried and true protocols of an older, kinder, and\r\ngentler Internet may have outlived their usefulness, throwing up\r\nindiscriminate barriars is not the answer.

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Nicholas Graham has not returned my phone call to him placed today. If\r\nhe would care to, I'd be happy to discuss several positive, and globally\r\nuseful steps, AOL could take to improve the spam situation for itself, its\r\ncustomers, and the Internet community as a whole.

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Thank you.

\r\n
\r\n--\r\nKarsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com>        [link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\nWhat Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?\r\nOffice Despot: Office Depot embraces Microsoft XP logo requirement.\r\n[link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit030.html|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit030.html]\r\n[link|http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8472|http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8472]\r\n
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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Expand Edited by kmself Sept. 30, 2003, 06:35:36 AM EDT
New Re: A badly misrepresented presentation
Agreed!
[link|http://www.designindia.com|http://www.designindia.com]
New Joyce - Blair connections

Interesting. It appears [link|http://www.disobey.com/ghostsites/jaysonblair.shtml|Erin Joyce has shared panels with Jayson Blair] (discredited NYTimes reporter). Twice. "The Silicon Alley Beat: Coverage of NY High Tech" and "Silicon Alley Pundits on Parade: Predictions for 2001 "

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When Blair became a "Pundit on Parade", he crossed the line between reporter and reportee. He became part of the story he was covering. No, he wasn't alone in this - the "technology press" has never been known for its adversary practices, because it depends on access to power, or its source of editorial fodder quickly dries up. But it is significant that Blair was so deeply enmeshed in the world he claimed to cover. And it is also significant that this world - the one that Blair came from immediately before he was promoted to covering national stories for the Times was - like an unfortunate chunk of Blair's subsequent reporting - based on total, wishful fantasy. One in which it might be said that "a culture of lies" prevailed.

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Interesting company she keeps.

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Expand Edited by kmself Oct. 2, 2003, 04:20:39 AM EDT
New Re: Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation
Perhaps you just misrepresented yourself.
New Sod off, eejit.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
New If this is anyone but Karsten
you are misrepresenting 'yourself' with his icon.

And - Karsten a fool? I think not.



Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New It ain't Karsten.
Hence the "sod off" to whichever random internet fuckwit is using the karstenisafool account.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
New Didn't think so, really.
And my initial reaction was a bit more visceral.

I wanted to show he was, apparently, right about the 'misrepresentation'.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New All I can say is:
Scott, If you could please blank this out. And if you could lock this account. And Modify the avatarimage.
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No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Expand Edited by folkert Dec. 12, 2004, 11:53:32 AM EST
New Interesting. That's my company.
A rather nasty 'coincidence'. And one disturbing to me.

There are those that work with me in my department that have seen "Z" up on my laptop.

I hope you've mistaken my post for the one involved, Greg - I'd hate to think this was one of my co-workers.

If it IS one of my co-workers, please stop.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Might not be yours...
I have had some correspondence... seems I was mistaken
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
New All I can say is... Whew.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Suggestion (new thread)
Created as new thread #186796 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=186796|Suggestion]


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New Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business!
AOL has the authority, but i suppose absolute power also corrupts absolutely! My clients have been blocked out form all AOL accounts --- and they DONOT spam! I pay USD 2000 p.a. per IP and AOL seems has blocked the IP --- not to mention the Domino efect it has , other ISPS like Road Runner and all also will be blocking the sites --- and I thik they already did!
I think it is high time we start differentiating between Spammers and small business owners.
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New Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business!
And is Yahoo/MSN far behind?
[link|http://www.designindia.com|http://www.designindia.com]
     Can't mail mom: AOL blocks DUL/DSL mailservers - (kmself) - (26)
         AOL does not accept dhcp pooled addresses? - (boxley) - (3)
             BINGO... give that man a CIGAR! - (folkert) - (2)
                 Appreciated. - (pwhysall)
                 The solution: block AOL - (kmself)
         Not just AOL - (scoenye) - (4)
             Difference - (kmself) - (3)
                 This seems to be... - (folkert) - (2)
                     ROFL hafta remember that one a lot of people - (boxley)
                     Virtuosity is its own reward - (Ashton)
         InternetNews: AOL Accused of Collateral Damage in Spam War - (kmself) - (14)
             You demon strated it. - (bepatient)
             Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation - (kmself) - (12)
                 Re: A badly misrepresented presentation - (kaustav)
                 Joyce - Blair connections - (kmself)
                 Re: Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation - (karstenisafool) - (9)
                     Sod off, eejit. -NT - (pwhysall)
                     If this is anyone but Karsten - (imric) - (2)
                         It ain't Karsten. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Didn't think so, really. - (imric)
                     All I can say is: - (folkert) - (4)
                         Interesting. That's my company. - (imric) - (2)
                             Might not be yours... - (folkert) - (1)
                                 All I can say is... Whew. -NT - (imric)
                         Suggestion (new thread) - (pwhysall)
         Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business! - (kaustav) - (1)
             Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business! - (kaustav)

Who left that on the floor?
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