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New Not just AOL
MAPS has been black-holing dynamically assigned address blocks for a while. Not sure when they started but I've run into the block several times with arbitrary ISPs early last year.
New Difference

MAPS is advisory. AOL takes direct effect.

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With MAPS, you can query to see if an IP is in a dialup range, and then decide what you're going to do about it, including deciding that you're going to give it lower priority, scan it, block it, etc. AOL is taking that option away by simply blindly blocking all mail.

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I'm strongly inclined to suggest that the independents start refusing AOL mail in retaliation.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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New This seems to be...
General effect that this has Companies doing. *OH* you have an AOL address... Sorry we don't allow e-mail from AOL, which has historically BAD SPAM mailings... either with thousands of recipients or just plain sheer number of annoyances.


I can say, companies such as Meijer, Gordon Food Services, [Sc]Amway all use RBL and MAPS and score appropriately based on them. Those three corporations together have ~200K e-mail addresses and have been hit badly in the past... I personally have help Gordon Food Services and Meijer fix the open-relays they have had in the past... Both of them were misconfigured Checkpoint Firewalls...

But NOOOOO>>>> the Network Admins *KNEW* what they are doing HAD TO BE the Mailservers...

So I captured Packets on *MY* end and they capture on the mailserver... I provided them with a TIME server we all could sync to... therefore they could prove the mail-servers were at fault...

I setup to use thier IP address to relay mail... actually sent *THEM* e-mail at the same time to make them think they CAUGHT IT... well umm... sorry... The Checkpoint smtp server answered the WHOLE conversation... and forwarded the e-mail on... rather than do a port-forward to the REAL servers... After all was said and done, I ended up teaching "Senior Networking Veteran Administrators" alot about Checkpoint Firewalls and how to use them... it's all in the Order... and READ about the options iffn you aren't sure. They thought "allow forwarding/relaying" mail only meant for *THIER* stuff... Wrongo... Now they understand why it's a good thing to use portforwarding and DNAT (Destination Network Address Translation) and SNAT (Source Network Address Translation)...

Best part was... one Corporation refer'd the other to me... to help. Same EXACT problem... Know-It-All "Network Admins" and a Checkpoint Firewall... being misconfigured...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - IT Grand-Master for President
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|2004, the year Microsoft develops for Linux ]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
The DHS [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Cyberer-Stratergery]. The ultimate in Cyber.
New ROFL hafta remember that one a lot of people
dont quite get what allow can mean and dont allways look it up.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New Virtuosity is its own reward
Now.. if there's this much confusion within a Very-logical "profession" like IT...
[which means simply, "they profess.. to know stuff" - no more no less.]

Imagine how it is with, say worldwide nuclear proiferation:
math, physics, chem, government-speak, politics, intrigue, dissembling, sociology, $$$$, Power, psych ... zoology.




Are We Safe Yet?
     Can't mail mom: AOL blocks DUL/DSL mailservers - (kmself) - (26)
         AOL does not accept dhcp pooled addresses? - (boxley) - (3)
             BINGO... give that man a CIGAR! - (folkert) - (2)
                 Appreciated. - (pwhysall)
                 The solution: block AOL - (kmself)
         Not just AOL - (scoenye) - (4)
             Difference - (kmself) - (3)
                 This seems to be... - (folkert) - (2)
                     ROFL hafta remember that one a lot of people - (boxley)
                     Virtuosity is its own reward - (Ashton)
         InternetNews: AOL Accused of Collateral Damage in Spam War - (kmself) - (14)
             You demon strated it. - (bepatient)
             Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation - (kmself) - (12)
                 Re: A badly misrepresented presentation - (kaustav)
                 Joyce - Blair connections - (kmself)
                 Re: Erin Joyce makes a badly misrepresented presentation - (karstenisafool) - (9)
                     Sod off, eejit. -NT - (pwhysall)
                     If this is anyone but Karsten - (imric) - (2)
                         It ain't Karsten. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Didn't think so, really. - (imric)
                     All I can say is: - (folkert) - (4)
                         Interesting. That's my company. - (imric) - (2)
                             Might not be yours... - (folkert) - (1)
                                 All I can say is... Whew. -NT - (imric)
                         Suggestion (new thread) - (pwhysall)
         Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business! - (kaustav) - (1)
             Re: Can't mail mom: and my clients and legit business! - (kaustav)

I promise you that if I am compelled to turn to the Dark Side on this issue you will come to yearn for the suave ripostes of CRConrad.
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