It is a question of audience

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Post #9,443 by ben_tilly 9/17/01 12:21:03 PM Reply	It is a question of audience I want to have a chance of communicating to the assholes who are committing these racist acts. What that means is trying to appeal to values they have in words that they can understand in a way that has a chance of getting through. This unfortunately restricts my ability to spend too long expressing all of my feelings about them... Cheers, Ben
Post #9,558 by boxley 9/17/01 10:22:02 PM Reply	well the ahole see's the word racist and goes this isnt directed to me and stops reading :) thanx, bill why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #9,560 by Andrew Grygus 9/17/01 10:31:28 PM Reply	Calling them racist is counterproductive. They wear the badge "racist" with pride. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #9,606 by marlowe 9/18/01 9:22:00 AM Reply	A question of audience indeed. Calling someone an asshole is no way to communicate with him. I call peopl e assholes from time to time, but never for that purpose. The only time I ever call someone an asshole is to get on the record precisely and unequivocably where I stand, and only after I've given up communication with the asshole as a hopeless cause. It's purely for the benefit of onlookers. No other way of using such an epithet can serve any constructive purpose. Think about it. Calling someone an asshole is like saying to someone "you're just not listening." In fact, it emcompasses that very idea. Now what's the point of telling somebody he's not listening, since you know he's not listening to you when you tell him? What's the point of telling him anything, per se? Bottom line: your statement of intent doesn't make sense. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]

A request for tolerance - final - (ben_tilly) - (35) - Sept. 17, 2001, 08:02:58 AM EDT

Words . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Sept. 15, 2001, 10:07:10 PM EDT

Words? C'mon. - (wharris2) - Sept. 15, 2001, 11:42:10 PM EDT

He's preaching to the choir, don'cha know. - (marlowe) - (4) - Sept. 17, 2001, 01:35:25 PM EDT

WTF is your problem? - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 17, 2001, 02:07:31 PM EDT

What is your point? - (Ashton) - Sept. 17, 2001, 03:30:39 PM EDT

Grow up. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2001, 07:33:51 AM EDT

Oh dear, now I've gone and offended the choir. - (marlowe) - Sept. 18, 2001, 09:13:42 AM EDT

change hateful racists to cowards hiding behind the skirts - (boxley) - Sept. 16, 2001, 12:07:21 AM EDT

I dont think that it is just racists (their there) - (boxley) - Sept. 16, 2001, 12:49:43 AM EDT

One suggestion. - (Steve Lowe) - Sept. 16, 2001, 03:52:06 AM EDT

Give reasoning from the general to the particular its due. - (marlowe) - (14) - Sept. 16, 2001, 09:14:01 AM EDT

Re: Give reasoning from the general to the particular its du - (wharris2) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2001, 09:33:57 AM EDT

For what it's worth... - (marlowe) - Sept. 16, 2001, 02:05:07 PM EDT

Get over your bad self - (cwbrenn) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2001, 12:38:47 PM EDT

I'm open to suggestions. - (marlowe) - Sept. 16, 2001, 02:06:20 PM EDT

I give it exactly its due - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Sept. 16, 2001, 02:53:27 PM EDT

About that "Catch-22" - (marlowe) - (6) - Sept. 17, 2001, 12:39:24 PM EDT

I think you are reading in something I didn't say - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Sept. 17, 2001, 01:53:27 PM EDT

Here's an idea. - (marlowe) - (4) - Sept. 17, 2001, 02:15:44 PM EDT

I am for an effective understanding - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2001, 03:03:04 PM EDT

Fair enough, but... - (marlowe) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2001, 04:27:31 PM EDT

Read the "squishy sermonizing" again, please - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2001, 05:42:30 PM EDT

Immigrants as a self-selecting group. - (marlowe) - Sept. 17, 2001, 07:25:34 PM EDT

nit - (tablizer) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2001, 05:18:49 PM EDT

Counter-nits. - (marlowe) - Sept. 17, 2001, 12:43:21 PM EDT

two minor suggestions - (brettj) - Sept. 16, 2001, 10:07:57 AM EDT

Thanks for caring! - (brettj) - Sept. 16, 2001, 10:33:45 AM EDT

What I might say in a similar situation. - (addison) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2001, 04:46:30 PM EDT

Excellent. - (Ashton) - Sept. 16, 2001, 05:17:36 PM EDT

I thought about including some of those points... - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 17, 2001, 12:17:50 PM EDT

good to go, still dont like racist but (shrug) -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2001, 09:59:09 PM EDT

It is a question of audience - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2001, 12:21:03 PM EDT

well the ahole see's the word racist and - (boxley) - Sept. 17, 2001, 10:22:02 PM EDT

Calling them racist is counterproductive. - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 17, 2001, 10:31:28 PM EDT

A question of audience indeed. - (marlowe) - Sept. 18, 2001, 09:22:00 AM EDT

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