Post #82,909
2/20/03 11:14:21 AM
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Well then...
...I post a link to something without >ANY< commentary (lest you think I was posting like Marlowe...and we all know how you love that)...and now, by implication, >I< am David Horowitz?
Which one of us is pathetic? The one that posts alternate views to your world order...or the one that personally attacks anyone who dare link to someone with an opposing point of view. Someone, in fact, who is identified with the >left< in this country.
If you would have bothered to >read< the interviews...you would have seem that there are those (myself included...as I have stated elsewhere) that think there are individuals and protesters that have legitimate concerns about Iraq. The issue raised by Horowitz is the fact that their *legitimate* concerns are being co-opted by people with no interest in their concerns...and with an agenda that none of them would ever support.
How *DARE* me...reading concerns of others about the current crop of protests...ESPECIALLY if they disagree with you. How positively *UN*American of me to be so politically incorrect.
And how abso-fucking-lutely typical of your gutless buddy to pile on with completely unrelated bullshit.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #82,965
2/20/03 2:56:58 PM
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You are joking, right?
Someone, in fact, who is identified with the >left< in this country. Maybe 30 years ago. Not now. Horowitz is a conservative. Period. He makes his living attacking leftist positions. If that is how he is "identified" with the left, then you are not, in fact, wrong. Just using strange definitions of common terms. How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
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Post #82,973
2/20/03 3:22:26 PM
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Heh.
Hmm. Take a look at his beliefs...his actions...his causes..and now he's kicked out of the left because he feels they've gone too far.
Interesting.
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Post #82,991
2/20/03 4:10:33 PM
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So he's *not* a conservative?
How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
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Post #83,033
2/20/03 8:20:08 PM
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Depends, I suppose, on defintion.
In the traditional sense...he probably is.
If thats the only objection you had to that series of posts...we may be making progress.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #83,139
2/21/03 9:42:25 AM
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My objection should be easy to grasp
You said he was associated with the left. I disagreed. I might be wrong. I wondered how you were defining the word "associated". If you were defining it is "opposed to" than we don't have a disagreement anymore.
How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
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Post #83,253
2/21/03 6:47:24 PM
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Re: Depends, I suppose, on definition. <<<<
I suppose 'it' might. Whatever 'it' is.
The question you will never answer:
What is 'it' that 'conservatives' want to conserve?
(an immediate clash with the connotation of 'conservation' makes 'it' even fuzzier)
Oh.. Besides the status-quo: that used to be called reactionary however, before there was bafflegab
Never mind. It's so suave a mindless-slogan, it could only be diminished in effectiveness by any attempt to find if any two people have the same definition.
Ashton
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Post #83,093
2/21/03 12:01:28 AM
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Horowitz
Take a look at his beliefs...his actions...his causes..and now he's kicked out of the left because he feels they've gone too far.
My problem with Horowitz is that he was a doctrinaire thug a generation ago and he's a doctrinaire thug today. The doctrines have changed, but tactically he remains a Stalinist. You, of course, are too witlessly young as yet to grasp this.
cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #83,094
2/21/03 12:09:43 AM
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Actually...he pretty much admits..
...to dropping the Stalinist (he calls communist) belief structure of his youth. (not that young)...but still carries a pretty good torch for individual liberty and civil rights....but thinks that the pendulum has gone too far...especially in universities...and that the "radical left" as he calls them are actually squelching the free exchange of ideas.
Tactically? I won't bicker about that with you. Anyone with their mind made up and a really strong POV could be called a "tactical Stalinist" or a doctrinaire thug. Even some folks here :)
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #83,095
2/21/03 12:16:45 AM
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Re: Actually...he pretty much admits..
I call Horowitz a thug tactically and doctrinally. He was a street criminal, rhetorically speaking, in 1967 and he's a street criminal today--he's just working the other side of the street. It's tough for me to see how any rational person can take him seriously: he's the spiritual heir of Roy Cohn.
not-so-cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #83,100
2/21/03 12:33:05 AM
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Far be it from anyone...
...to bring alternative viewpoints to this group. Seems that differing views just cannot be tolerated.
If you don't want to take him seriously, then don't. I linked to it based on something I heard on the radio on my way home from work...thought it might stir something up in here.
Lord knows if somebody thinks a little differently...they cannot be rational.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #83,106
2/21/03 1:15:12 AM
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Re: Far be it from anyone...
So you heard something on the radio on the way home...and you regard criticism of Horowitz as intolerance? This is the mindest that imagines "liberal media bias." God help us all.
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #83,117
2/21/03 6:55:00 AM
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Could be over-reacting..
...but the first response after posting was a personal attack...not by you granted.
Then "no rational person" should be able to take him seriously...not so cordially...
Attitude man...its the attitude.
Tell me..."Horowitz is a loonie...has been from the 60's...still one now just working for he other side"...I'd agree...instead you get the "how could...nobody should..." type of criticism.
You know...the exact stuff he bitches about existing on campus. Yes. I consider that intolerance...because veiled in the criticism of the messenger is the utter dismissal of any consideration of his views as "irrational".
HE won't help. HE's a hands-off guy (or gal).
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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