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New Best place / price for CAT 5 cable?
Well, I'm into the "new" place for about 3 weeks now and I'm getting to the point where I'm going to have to wire the house for network drops in all the rooms.

Does anyone have advice on where to shop for a complete package including 1,000 feet of cable, connectors and crimping tool? Patch panels? Anything else?
New Maybe L-Com.
I've bought some stuff from them (adapters, pre-made cables, 12-gang connectors, etc.) and been pretty happy. I don't know if they're the cheapest though.

[link|http://www.l-com.com/|http://www.l-com.com/]

I'd price out wireless stuff too. The lack of hassle might be worth the cost for you.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Don't think so.
I'd price out wireless stuff too. The lack of hassle might be worth the cost for you.

While an interesting thought, I'm not interested in making the entire network wireless. There are simply too many machines to justify the cost and I prefer a wired network for large file transfers (I sometimes move ISO and Norton Ghost images across the network).

For the one or two laptops I have, that might be an option, but nearly all of my machines are desktops or servers and they usually don't move once placed.
New check out speedstream your house is already wired
for electrical
[link|http://www.speedstream.com/products_powerline.html|http://www.speedstre...ts_powerline.html]
stick adapter in electric outlet and voila a new network node.
no idea on price but agravation? priceless
thanx,
bill
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New Still don't think so.
stick adapter in electric outlet and voila a new network node.
no idea on price but agravation? priceless


Depends on your definition of agravation.

The problem with that setup is that I'd be willing to bet it radiates so badly that it'll make my Ham Radio gear very unhappy. The regular 802.x stuff is pretty harmless to my HF / Shortwave operation. Something tells me I'm asking for trouble trying to use the house wiring as "network cable".

I've had enough trouble just getting network kit that didn't cause RFI to my other hobby. Don't think I want to open another can of worms. A wired network with shielded cable is much less prone to radiate and cause havoc, not to mention the havoc I could cause to the network with my transmitting gear.

Reminds me of the recent technology they were thinking of using on overhead power lines to give people broadband. If that ever sees the light of day near me, I'm sure it'll be "interesting" to say the least. ;-)
New I see, depending on how many drops you want
a communication co will wire you for about $50 per drop. Nice neat clean and professional. Otherwise look under electronics in the local YP and call around.
thanx,
bill
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New That's an option....
a communication co will wire you for about $50 per drop. Nice neat clean and professional.

... but I'm also doing this for educational purposes as well. I've never wired any network before. All my previous setups were done using patch cords, etc.

I'm not ruling it out, but I'd like to do it myself first and see how much trouble I can get into. ;-)
New well wiring is dumb as sh*t but if you're like me
I go around saying "a good trim man will fix that" a LOT
thanx,
bill
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New True enough, but....
... I'm going to use a patch panel as well and while they're not terribly complex, it remains to be seen if I can wire all the blocks correctly and not fsck it up. ;-)
New Definitely not the cheapest
L-com Cat-5e non-plenum is $89/1000ft. I buy BerkTek from Graybar Electric for $69/1000ft. In most cities, there should be a place where the small telephone and network companies buy stuff, like Eagle Electronics here in LA. Prices still higher than the big distibutors, but not too bad for most items.

Wire is critical. I usually use BerkTek which always pulls and terminates without breaks. Belden and Esix also work well. I worked with some AT&T cable that broke if you looked at it wrong - very difficult to terminate. One client's telephone cabler pulled two brands of Cat-5 for their network. One brand wouldn't work with the client's 10BaseT network cards. Took me hours to figure out why some connections worked and some didn't.

Had one guy recently do his own wiring. Figured if both ends were crimped in the same order, it'd work. Well, it didn't work at all, because his twisted pairs weren't right - electrically fine, but no network.

A crimper isn't needed unless you're going to crimp RJ45 plugs directly to the Cat-5 cables (not recommended - they start giving hard to locate trouble down the road). Terminate solid wire to jacks and use pre-made patch cables (they use stranded wire which works fine with crmiped RJ45 plugs). I use ICC jacks and never have opens. Leviton is more popular, but every time someone uses them I have to take time to fix opens.

I rarely use patch panels even though I know where to get them at a reasonable price (most sources charge way too much). I usually terminate to a 110 frame which can make a very compact installation in tight spots. Here's [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/images/bbotn.jpg|an example]. Yes, that's a 300 pair frame where I'd normally use a 100 pair frame - plans got changed. The cables from the 110 blocks to the hub are just Cat-5 patch cables cut in half.

Sometimes I overdo the 100 frame concept, as I did at [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/images/bbdci.jpg|Diagnostic Center]. Patch pannels would have been a little less work here.

I sometimes use the 66M block format patch panels, although I didn't do [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/images/bboto.jpg|this one].

Oh, yes, I just remembered, I have [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/design/wiredt.html|More pictures] on my Web site.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New OT: typo in HTML of page for last link.
"©:" at bottom needs semicolon instead of colon. Yes, I know you know better and just did not notice it. :)
Alex

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
New Re: Best place / price for CAT 5 cable?
You may want to check Home Depot. I bought cable, connectors, jacks, and wallplates from them. The prices were comparable to the electrical supply places around here (Northern Virginia), and the location and hours were much more convenient for me.

I don't believe that they carry patch panels or punchdown blocks. I only needed four runs that all come back to a central location where I have a four-port single-gang wallplate. I believe that they had up to a twelve-port dual-gang wallplate in the store.

The jacks were around $5 apiece, so the four-port configuration is much cheaper than any patch panel.
New Agreed
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"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New Don't for get ...
some Fish-tape... err fish-tape reel... can rent them...

Stay away from your outlets... THINK about where you are going to put your hub... and you might as well run a couple of runs to each room... maybe a cat-3 as well... for phone.

I know I have always promoted 2 - cat-5 and 1 - cat-3 to each room.
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New Phones can run on cat 5 tip and ring is only 2 wires
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New Yessir... I know that....
But that is why my planned wiring plants are usually good for 6-10 years...

A place I planned for 10 years ago, JUST as CAT-5 was becoming the new way...

They are re-modeling and STILL don;t have to re-wire yet... ;)

Cost difference for 200 pulls of 2+1 (2 cat5 + 1cat3) vs 100 pulls of cat-5 and 100 pulls of cat3

basically the cost of the parts... no labor difference, which is the big part.

You should be able to get 1000ft reel for ~$72 of good BerkTek or Lucent Cable.

AMP RJ-45 connectors are ~$.50 a piece still the crimper (which I happen to have an AMP model the good one) was about $130 has crimped about 10,000 and still going strong.

Faceplate, get the Square-D faceplates and CAT5 plugs and a punchdown for 110 blocks. and then GANG them in you HUB location.

edit = typing $22 not $72 and added BerkTek...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
Expand Edited by gfolkertold Feb. 13, 2003, 12:00:42 AM EST
New Funny you should mention that
I know I have always promoted 2 - cat-5 and 1 - cat-3 to each room.

While the telephone wiring in this place is certainly more modern than in the old place, it could use a revamp as well. There's such a hodge-podge of runs that I just might do a few 4 outlet wall plates and combine things.

I'll have to think about that......
New what kind of construction do you have to contend with?
Wall materials, wood studs or metal or concrete? Ceilings, hung, rock on joists?
etc.
thanx,
bill
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New Re: what kind of construction do you have to contend with?
While I haven't looked too hard at the materials (still unpacking boxes and finding all my shite after almost 3 weeks), I'd say that it's drywall and wood studs above ground and cinder block below ground. Ceilings are assumed to be drywall as well and I have wood panelling in the family room.

Most areas are accessible from the basement or the attic (single floor rancher), but finding the right spots so as to not be to be near house wiring or the hot water radiators could be a challenge. Most rooms have at least 4 electrical outlets in them and I'll have to manuver around the baseboard radiators that take up at least one entire wall in each room. The family room has 2 radiators, so I've only got 2 walls left to work with.

I'm not expecting major problems. I just have to plan carefully as to placement of the wall plates.
New easy stuff if the crawl space is tall
Drill straight down to the subspace where the cable wont be obtrusive, stick a pencil in the hole so you can identify where it is underneath.
thanx,
bill
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New You might seriously consider a good tester.
I use a product from (stop snickering) Test-Um. [link|http://www.test-um.com/testum/product_detail.asp?itemno=TP500|http://www.test-um.c....asp?itemno=TP500] You might find something similar for a better price, but I love this model. Shows me shorts, crossed wires, open lines, the works.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
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New Coolio!
New the latest in easybob technology I like
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New That looks like one of the easier to use types.
I've used several different types, and if you're going to crimp your own RJ45s, especially to solid wire, one of these will be essential. If you use the right hardware ([link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=81329|shameless self reference]), they aren't needed on a modest project. I use a tester mainly when I'm not the one who's going to plug in the equipment, just to make sure.

Some testers produce really hard to interpret results if the device at one end of the cable is wired 568B and the other end 568A. The officaial standard is 568A, but only a few weirdos use that in the U.S.. The consnsus standard is 568B (WECO (Western Electric Company) format). Nothing is as screwy as a site where some ding-dong has installed 568A devices (because it's right) when the rest of the place is 568B.

Oh yes, one other thing, I use the tester a lot when someone has used Leviton jacks. If they start with the brown pair, the blue pair is often open. Blue doesn't mater for most Ethernet, but a lot of my applications use the same cabling for serial data.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Feb. 13, 2003, 10:40:13 AM EST
     Best place / price for CAT 5 cable? - (n3jja) - (23)
         Maybe L-Com. - (Another Scott) - (9)
             Don't think so. - (n3jja) - (6)
                 check out speedstream your house is already wired - (boxley) - (5)
                     Still don't think so. - (n3jja) - (4)
                         I see, depending on how many drops you want - (boxley) - (3)
                             That's an option.... - (n3jja) - (2)
                                 well wiring is dumb as sh*t but if you're like me - (boxley) - (1)
                                     True enough, but.... - (n3jja)
             Definitely not the cheapest - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                 OT: typo in HTML of page for last link. - (a6l6e6x)
         Re: Best place / price for CAT 5 cable? - (morganek) - (1)
             Agreed -NT - (folkert)
         Don't for get ... - (folkert) - (6)
             Phones can run on cat 5 tip and ring is only 2 wires -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Yessir... I know that.... - (folkert)
             Funny you should mention that - (n3jja) - (3)
                 what kind of construction do you have to contend with? - (boxley) - (2)
                     Re: what kind of construction do you have to contend with? - (n3jja) - (1)
                         easy stuff if the crawl space is tall - (boxley)
         You might seriously consider a good tester. - (tseliot) - (3)
             Coolio! -NT - (n3jja)
             the latest in easybob technology I like -NT - (boxley)
             That looks like one of the easier to use types. - (Andrew Grygus)

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