More on Java JRE on Solaris from TheInq.

Post #80,307 by Another Scott 2/8/03 9:52:05 AM Reply	More on Java JRE on Solaris from TheInq. [link\|http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7679\|Here]. Yes Scott, the English at TheInq often isn't the best (though I personally think TheReg often leaves a lot to be desired as well.) :-) NOT ONLY IS there a huge internal debate at Sun Microsystems about difficulties with Java, but it has emerged that a bug in build 83 of 1.4 was only detected and fixed just before the final build of Solaris 9, according to an insider at the company. I think that's just a bit of fearmongering myself. Testing is designed to catch bugs before release... Our source at Sun said that memory hogging is a huge problem, with the JRE being huge, compared to similar runtime environments. He said it can grow to as much as 900M, while Java 2 programs like "Hello World" hog 9M, Component Manager 160M and Together sometimes reaching 900M. He claimed that on an Ultra 10, Together could take a staggering four minutes to load and to start, while even the much vaunted administration console, SMC can take up to two minutes to start working. These problems all relate to the Java Runtime Environment, he claimed. Sun Microsystems could not be reached for comment on the problems. \ufffd A comparison to sizes of other REs with similar functionality would be helpful, rather than us having to take their word for it. But 900 M does sound a tiny bit excessive. :-/ I'd feel a lot better about these stories if they weren't traced to one person at Sun. But I don't want to shoot the messenger either. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #80,320 by admin 2/8/03 12:56:45 PM Reply	TogetherJ used 64M tops on my Linux box 900M is staggeringly huge, if it's true. The 1.2.2 and 1.3.1 versions that we use on Solaris 2.7 aren't particular hogs; the 4 java processes we have running right now have a SZ of about 7M or so. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #80,350 by tuberculosis 2/8/03 6:27:59 PM Reply	Depends on what you use A lot of the packages floating around out there are enormous for what they do. I've been working on a dbms modeling tool. I wanted to add diagramming. I thought using svg would be cool so I checked out the batik lib at apache. Fuggeddaboudit. Its something like 8 jars and they're all huge. I just want boxes and lines and persistence. I wrote my own graph tool (all graph builder components I've seen on the web have been slow, large, swing-like over-engineered (factory factories to generate builders of adaptors and 4 levels of model mapping) and ugly besides. The only thing I didn't write is the PNGEncoder - its one class with a single interesting method. I think you can write lean java programs - as long as you don't download any "free" components. I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more. --Alan Perlis
Post #80,351 by boxley 2/8/03 6:31:48 PM Reply	That last line applies to a lot of languages "hello world" in Foxpro is 2k. A lot of libs people download are huge and may not be all that well written. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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