Woah - sheet music - I haven't seen that stuff in years...

Post #71,967 by tuberculosis 1/2/03 5:14:45 AM Reply	Woah - sheet music - I haven't seen that stuff in years... I used to play on the Albuquerque bar circuit. Top 40 you have to learn off the radio. The sheet music is 1) always simplified and 2) comes out months after the tune has peaked if it comes out at all. Standard answer to question "can you sight read" was "why - somebody write something down"? Actually I tried to learn to read several times. But my ears are so good that as soon as I've heard it I just play it - bypassing the painful mental act of visual decoding and translation. I don't suppose I'll ever learn...(sigh). I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #72,053 by Steve Lowe 1/2/03 1:17:41 PM Reply	Playing by ear Playing by ear gives you at least one thing the sheet music cannot: The feel of the song. While I can read sheet music (for some values of read), I do much better when I've got a copy of the song to listen to because I can get more of feel for the groove of the song than is possible using the sheet music alone. ----- Steve
Post #72,098 by Meerkat 1/2/03 6:22:04 PM Reply	ObAol MeToo (tm) I always had (and still have) trouble sight-reading because I play by ear. Back in the days when I was a kiddy and still having piano lessons, when I given a new song I go and program it into my TI 99/4a (the speed at which I could type in a CALL SOUND statement...) so I could figure out what it sounds like. Once I started doing that it was heaps easier to learn the songs I had to play. Not at all helpful WRT my learning how to sight-read, though... John. Busy lad.
Post #72,129 by deSitter 1/2/03 8:58:55 PM Reply	Re: ObAol MeToo (tm) Do you mean "sight read" or "read music"? I can read piano music and more or less hear it - but I can't "sight read" as I understand it for a damn. -drl
Post #72,137 by Meerkat 1/2/03 10:15:55 PM Reply	I can read music, I'm just really slow at it. John. Busy lad.
Post #72,170 by static 1/3/03 4:53:00 AM 1/4/03 4:41:59 AM Reply	That's really interesting. Because I have an ear for the feel of music, but when playing, I still prefer to play from chord charts. OTOH, melody lines I can play at speed from manuscript, though hearing it first is Very Helpful. :-) Then too, I've played from a chord chart cold (in a church band) and the song leader suspected but couldn't be sure that I hadn't played that song before. Wade. Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs. Edited by static Jan. 4, 2003, 04:41:59 AM EST Expand All History
Post #72,219 by drewk 1/3/03 10:55:19 AM Reply	Speed-reader here Though most musicians would look at drum or percussion music and lose their minds. If you're talking percussion (not counting marimba and other keyboard-like instruments) the notes will generally be all on one line. Or rather each line is a completely different instrument. Often each instrument will have a different-shaped note head. Then there's the stuff they give the guy playing the drum set in a pop/jazz/rock etc. band. It's frequently so over-written it's nearly unplayable. I usually just asked for the lead sheet (for standards, the kind with a melody and chord progression) or a copy of the first trumpet part. Basically give me the melody line and let me figure out what to do with it. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #72,467 by deSitter 1/4/03 1:13:52 PM Reply	You're a drummer? Cool! -drl
Post #72,624 by Steve Lowe 1/5/03 2:11:58 AM Reply	I use chord charts a lot I make chord charts from sheet music all the time. I hate trying to turn pages in the midst of a song. I try to memorize as much as I can, but we do so many different songs, and a different set every week. ----- Steve
Post #72,214 by admin 1/3/03 10:31:13 AM Reply	Same here. I can't play for shit from music. I end up memorizing the song more or less before I can play it well. I can play melodies by ear after hearing them once, if I'm paying attention. My son is learning to sight read quite well, thankfully. It's a useful skill to have in addition to playing by ear. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #72,659 by CRConrad 1/5/03 11:47:43 AM Reply	Todd, Steve, guys - just a well-meaning tip: This kind of thing is exactly what the "As New Topic in" check-box is for. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #72,661 by deSitter 1/5/03 11:51:53 AM Reply	CRC, Just a Well Meaning Tip.. "As New Topic" is annoying as hell and more or less ruins the flow of a forum, unless (ab)used as a flame retardant. Who cares if side issues come up? When you are having a beer with your buddies, do you move to a new table when the conversation changes? -drl
Post #72,662 by CRConrad 1/5/03 11:55:45 AM Reply	What's annoying as Hell is pompous know-it-alls, and... ...the fact that I apparently missed checking "As New Topic in" on my previous posting. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #72,747 by admin 1/5/03 6:26:30 PM Reply	Bar table load times aren't affected by size of past chat Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #72,755 by deSitter 1/5/03 6:44:30 PM Reply	That's the legitimate use Somehow it seemed more civilized to say "let's move to here". -drl
Post #72,777 by CRConrad 1/5/03 7:19:15 PM Reply	Naah, you're missing the REAL use: Seamlessly "moving" the discussion to "tables" where people who might be very interested are more likely to be "sitting": What about all the people here who might have a burning inteerest in music-sheet-reading, but never wander into the Programming forum? T'would have been nice to them to dump this in Open, or the Water Cooler, or something (Entertainment, perhaps?). Especially since you don't have the hassle, here, of everybody having to physically get up, bring their beers (and other assorted beverages) with them, notifying the waitress of the move if they're running a tab, seeing if there's room at the other "table" to squeeze down their butts, etc, etc. But, fuck, anyone else's convenience but yours isn't something you care all that much about, is it? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #72,779 by deSitter 1/5/03 7:22:06 PM Reply	Re: Naah, you're missing the REAL use: Just stating an impression, CRC. No biggie. It's wonderful work. -drl
Post #72,785 by CRConrad 1/5/03 7:38:47 PM Reply	OK, that last point is one we can agree on, at least! :-)
Post #73,023 by tuberculosis 1/6/03 5:56:25 PM Reply	If I had any idea this would be so hot I would have started a new topic. Who knew? I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #73,119 by Steve Lowe 1/7/03 2:01:02 AM Reply	Well meaning tip Don't run with scissors. ;^) Like Todd said woulda, prolly shoulda, but dinna. ----- Steve
Post #73,145 by CRConrad 1/7/03 9:14:04 AM Reply	Long as you knew you "prolly shoulda", that's all I wanted.

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