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New W2K Dramatically Slower than 98SE
..on my old Tecra 8000 (mobile PII, MMX, 256m 100 RAM). Is there some reasonable explanation of this? Everything works on both installs.

Strange, after enjoying 2k for a while, I started getting that old NT feeling - as in, "This somehow just isn't right. It's slow, the display is slow, NTFS is slow, it swaps too much, it's just sluggish is a non-descript way". IOW, it's still NT deep down in its blackened heart.
-drl
New File system? Cache? RAM? Graphics drivers?
You're comparing apples and oranges without more info.

I suspect that it's a lack of RAM issue, but that's my bias.

Try hitting C-A-D and bringing up the Task Manager then looking at the Performance tab. Look at the memory totals.

On this Win2K machine I've got 35 processes; 111,820 kB total committed; 512 MB total physical with 409,832 kB available, 34,892 kB total kernel memory with 8.2 MB non-paged. Athlon XP 1900+ (1.6 GHz). Win2k quite snappy (but I haven't tried Win9x on it to make a comparison).

The boot partition is NTFS and the other partitions are all FAT32.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: File system? Cache? RAM? Graphics drivers?
256M? Lack of RAM??

All drivers passed the "Windows Update" test as well as the "inveterate tweaker" test (mine). Not that.

Performance as reported by good ol' NT Task Manager is fine. Low processor usage, not overcommitted.

My guess is that the PII is not the best host for 2k.
-drl
New DE Frag that Drive.... De Frag it.
USe Norton SystemWorks2002, speeddisk it. Twice er three times.

Believe me, the drive needs it.

W2K defragger doesn't come close.

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free trip to the (county)Photographer!

Overbooking, is a problem, please be prepared for "room-ies".

Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query:
SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\
  WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Re: DE Frag that Drive.... De Frag it.
Not fragged. Haven't done enough with it since installing to frag it.

Too late in any case - after "that old NT feeling" returned, I speedily removed 2k.

2k runs fine on my Thinkpad, faster than 98 there.
-drl
New If you have run W2k for an hour...
It can get as bad as 20-25% fragmented. It's just they WAY it does the SWAPFILE and the caching and the memory commits. Similarly with it just sitting there ... if any services are running that really don;t need to be... well more fragmentation due to logging anomalies.

It does seem to *FINALLY* be better in XtraPain...

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]


Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
[link|http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html|Wi-Fi enabled device use] comes with an all inclusive
free trip to the (county)Photographer!

Overbooking, is a problem, please be prepared for "room-ies".

Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query:
SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\
  WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Re: If you have run W2k for an hour...
That is seriously FUed, and for that reason alone I wash my hands of W2KWS.

Glad I made the right decision. Thanks GM!
-drl
New WTF?
No way.

I babysit ~200 Windows 2000 Pro boxen and THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Complaining that W2K Pro is slower than 98 or ME is like complaining that it's slower than DOS.

Given that the filesystem drivers are the same in 2K and XP I can't see how this stuff would happen.

"The way it does the swapfile and the caching and the memory commits" ?

Er, "the way" is the way it was done in 2000. XP is cosmetic changes.

Someone's blowing smoke around here, and it ain't me.


Peter
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New Re: WTF?
XP is the Windows winner of the 3.1 camp and the steal-from-OS/2 camp - it's like two executives in a big battle, and when the time comes for the Big Promotion, who shows up but some shifty MBA.

In the course of time, over and over and over again I find myself on the side of the 3.1 camp - their stuff was/is simply better. I wish someone at Microsoft would read this.

Windows NT and all its offspring are ultimately shit. I'll be moving our servers to Linux next year - other than the ball-and-chain Great Pains accounting.
-drl
New There are more than...
Cosmetic differences...

I have seen the Fragmentation Grenades on W2K happen in UNDER an hour of a Laptop being "built" and de-frag'd. I didn't say IT did it ALL of the time. Maybe I missed something, but the newer (slight)revision of the FS Driver in XP is a significant "selection criteria" difference from what W2K is. No, Memory Commits and Swapfile Management is not much if any difference in W2K as WXP, but it.. in combination with the "Slight" change in the FS driver for XP, it does make a difference.

Now, as for your statements about smoke. I'm all out.

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]


Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
[link|http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html|Wi-Fi enabled device use] comes with an all inclusive
free trip to the (county)Photographer!

Overbooking, is a problem, please be prepared for "room-ies".

Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query:
SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\
  WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Norton! Fsck Norton!
Try to guess how many times I've had to remove Symantec shit from a computer - try! It's a fucking ordeal - shit keeps popping up - I half expected to get spam reminding me how stupid I was to remove Norton Utility (singular) from a machine.

Yes, at one time it was Norton Utilities - two of them - sd and the one that issued ANSI.SYS commands. An essential utility in the days of EGA. What was it called? sa? Screen Attributes? White on blue on an IBM AT with an Enhanced Color Display was a state-of-the-art PC when I had one at work. Plus terminals to UNIX - and math to program - heaven :)

I also had a spiffy grey Wyse terminal. All I want for Christmas is a green VT! (Regressing even farther, the ultimate green-screen experience is still the high-persistence green phosphors of the original IBM Personal Computer Display. Once VGA rolled along, you could have secondary monochrome video card to hook up to the IBMPCD and run dual console-head, or as I did, run Windows 3.1 or OS/2 on the retrospectively crappy graphics monitor and have a DOS box open on the green screen. This was a great setup for debugging Borland C code with Turbo Debugger. The code would walk by on the green screen and the high persistence phosphors would leave trails of the instruction pointer - a kind of unintentional trippy smooth scrolling.)
-drl
Expand Edited by deSitter Dec. 12, 2002, 09:40:44 PM EST
New SA was good for checking the color uniformity on monitors...
New Re: SA was good for checking the color uniformity..
Right! And the IBM was faultless - but the reddest red I ever remember seeing in those early days was on the Compaq Deskpro 386. Unfortunately the green was garish. The IBM equipment was always the best. Unlike HP, this is true today as well.

I was so lucky in the early PC days to have the best equipment to work with.


-drl
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Sometimes gets set to cover too many things.
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     W2K Dramatically Slower than 98SE - (deSitter) - (13)
         File system? Cache? RAM? Graphics drivers? - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Re: File system? Cache? RAM? Graphics drivers? - (deSitter)
         DE Frag that Drive.... De Frag it. - (folkert) - (9)
             Re: DE Frag that Drive.... De Frag it. - (deSitter) - (5)
                 If you have run W2k for an hour... - (folkert) - (4)
                     Re: If you have run W2k for an hour... - (deSitter)
                     WTF? - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         Re: WTF? - (deSitter)
                         There are more than... - (folkert)
             Norton! Fsck Norton! - (deSitter) - (2)
                 SA was good for checking the color uniformity on monitors... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Re: SA was good for checking the color uniformity.. - (deSitter)
         Check your Indexing Service and see what it is tracking. - (Silverlock)

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