Post #61,967
11/9/02 11:28:08 AM
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What democracy?
I am coming to believe that the US has little left but the forms of the democracy that wiped out the Republic. The point is not missed on me that the family nominally in charge is backed by people who have decades of practice in replacing democracies by dictatorships. The prospect of their doing the same in the US no longer seems to me to be as ridiculous as it once was.
As for a recount, given how easy the computer machines are to manipulate, they might still not get a fair result.
Regards,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #62,001
11/9/02 11:09:30 PM
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You'd like this post to comp.risks.
[link|http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/22.37.html#subj1|2002 Elections: Republican Voting Machines, Election Irregularities, and "Way-Off" Polling Results] Excerpt
Republicans dominate the voting machine business. So, I expected the
Republicans to take back the Senate... amid reports of voting machine
"irregularities" in several states and polling results that didn't come
close to election outcomes. And with billions of dollars at stake, who
could resist the temptation to tweak results? It's duck soup.
Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, the nation's leading expert in voting machine
technology, says, "Any programmer can write code that displays one thing on
a screen, records something else, and prints yet another result." But they
do make mistakes as we know from the multitude of reports in this election
and past ones. Dr. Mercuri's real fear is that one day the "irregularities"
will go away, as programmers learn their clandestine craft all too well.
Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
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Post #62,015
11/10/02 1:00:03 AM
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Seen other stories on the same topic
And I have pointed out the same information here before.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=61307|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=61307]
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=60875|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=60875]
Cheers,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #62,022
11/10/02 2:21:06 AM
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Re: Seen other stories on the same topic
Maybe that means that people are beginning to wake up? Or do you just mean here and in other "fringe media"?
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Post #62,023
11/10/02 2:33:04 AM
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The latter
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #62,025
11/10/02 2:36:54 AM
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That's too bad. OTOH, it's early days yet. Give it some time
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Post #62,026
11/10/02 2:44:17 AM
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This story goes back a few years already. :-(
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #62,032
11/10/02 6:08:08 AM
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I shouldn't be surprised. :-)
I went looking to see if the [link|http://www.aec.gov.au/|AEC] is thinking of voting machines. They've rejected the idea several times! They seem to think the US use of them is "problematic"...
I also found this: [link|http://www.eca.gov.au/reports/electronic_voting.pdf|Electronic Voting and Electronic Vote Counting: A Status Report] (pdf).
Wade.
"Ah. One of the difficult questions."
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Post #62,087
11/10/02 8:22:24 PM
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Heres a good one
[link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1652544|Houston Chronicle]
Faulty chip hands election to wrong canidate. The problem was only discovered because the vote was so lopsided in an unexpected way.
At least they had the sense to count the votes by hand even after getting a new chip.
The way things are going to Alabama they may not get a recount at all.
[link|http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1036837040270380.xml|Mobile Register]
The Republican Attorney General has released a legal opinion that it would be illegal to actually open the sealed ballot boxes despite the fact that there is a law in the state that lets people request recounts.
Jay
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Post #62,104
11/10/02 9:49:28 PM
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First Voodoo Economics! now.. Ashcroftian 'logic'
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