Ever read "Deschooling Society" by Ivan Illych?

Post #56,791 by mmoffitt 10/14/02 9:18:34 PM Reply	Ever read "Deschooling Society" by Ivan Illych? I can't remember if it was written in the late 60's or in the 70's. But iirc, his main theme was that US Education (schools) had become centers for teaching students to "consume". You go to school to "consume" an education. Pretty nice work, and unfortunately we've made his argument stonger (Coke machines, Channel One, "An MS license in every [school] desktop", etc. ad nauseum). Oh, and by all means, let's given them a TI calculator to take the SAT with. I have fscked them, haven't I? Damn it.
Post #56,794 by ben_tilly 10/14/02 9:24:31 PM Reply	Sorry, no Most of my opinions are formed through experience (both direct and indirect) followed by encountering [link\|http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Gatto.html\|John Taylor Gatto's writings]. Where I bothered to check, his claims about the history of the (dis)education system held up. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #56,798 by mmoffitt 10/14/02 9:28:55 PM Reply	Thanks for link. I think I'll always lament the fact that I could not afford to teach. But, imho, it's not all gloom and doom. Imho, 97% of the teachers are teaching because, as the saying goes, "they cannot do". But that 3% is really something.
Post #57,066 by ben_tilly 10/15/02 8:05:47 PM Reply	97% doom and gloom is more than enough for me. "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #56,865 by mhuber 10/15/02 12:29:18 AM Reply	No, but I lived it My parents read it. And partly as a result of that, my formal education consists of a nightmare week of Montesori in New Deli, India, a day of 8th grade, two years and change of High School, and a BS degree in Math and Computer Science. I drive a truck, now. ---- Whatever
Post #56,888 by Ashton 10/15/02 6:29:37 AM Reply	Well whatever.. yours worked, anyway!__:-\ufffd

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