Post #56,394
10/12/02 5:17:03 PM
10/15/02 8:40:13 PM
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My kids are taught by morons and it's my fault 4 bn Murican.
Here's a little dialog some might find interesting (alarming) from a trip home from school with my 12 year old middle school daughter.
Daughter: "Mrs. X is a moron."
Me: "Who is Mrs. X?"
Daughter: "My Social Studies teacher."
Me: "Daughter, I've told you not to be disrespectful to your teachers. Why do you say she is a moron?"
Daughter: "I'm sorry. It's just that, ..., well, ... she really doesn't know anything."
Me: "She must know something, she is a teacher. What do you mean she doesn't know anything?"
Daughter: "Well, we were talking about 9/11 and she asked the class what were some important issues facing the US today? So, I raised my hand and I asked, 'Why didn't we sign the Kyoto accords?' Mrs. X said, 'Does anyone in the class know what the Kyoto accords is? No? Well, why don't you tell the class?' So, I said that the Kyoto accords were an agreement to stop pollution, or make less of it anyway. And every country except ours agreed to sign it."
Me: "That's good, what did Mrs. X say then?"
Daughter: "She said, 'Well, the reason we didn't sign it is because, at the time, we were too worried about World War I'. Then she quickly changed the subject."
JESUS FUCKING PALAMINO! WWI??? FROM A FUCKING SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER???
This woman should NOT be allowed to walk around by herself, let alone "TEACH" anyone anything!
Now I feel better,
Mikem
Edits:
Title Edit due to whining ;-)
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 12, 2002, 05:17:21 PM EDT
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 15, 2002, 08:40:13 PM EDT
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Post #56,395
10/12/02 5:23:13 PM
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I would only find that alarming if...
I expected teachers to be minimally competent.
Another test. Have your daughter ask a teacher which is larger, 2/3 or 3/5...
Cheers,
Ben
PS: Fair warning. Teachers don't like smart kids because it threatens their authority. And school is all about indoctrinating the population on what the correct lines of authority are.
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #56,791
10/14/02 9:18:34 PM
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Ever read "Deschooling Society" by Ivan Illych?
I can't remember if it was written in the late 60's or in the 70's. But iirc, his main theme was that US Education (schools) had become centers for teaching students to "consume". You go to school to "consume" an education. Pretty nice work, and unfortunately we've made his argument stonger (Coke machines, Channel One, "An MS license in every [school] desktop", etc. ad nauseum).
Oh, and by all means, let's given them a TI calculator to take the SAT with.
I have fscked them, haven't I?
Damn it.
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Post #56,794
10/14/02 9:24:31 PM
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Sorry, no
Most of my opinions are formed through experience (both direct and indirect) followed by encountering [link|http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Gatto.html|John Taylor Gatto's writings].
Where I bothered to check, his claims about the history of the (dis)education system held up.
Cheers,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #56,798
10/14/02 9:28:55 PM
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Thanks for link.
I think I'll always lament the fact that I could not afford to teach. But, imho, it's not all gloom and doom. Imho, 97% of the teachers are teaching because, as the saying goes, "they cannot do". But that 3% is really something.
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Post #57,066
10/15/02 8:05:47 PM
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97% doom and gloom is more than enough for me.
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #56,865
10/15/02 12:29:18 AM
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No, but I lived it
My parents read it.
And partly as a result of that, my formal education consists of a nightmare week of Montesori in New Deli, India, a day of 8th grade, two years and change of High School, and a BS degree in Math and Computer Science.
I drive a truck, now.
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Whatever
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Post #56,888
10/15/02 6:29:37 AM
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Well whatever.. yours worked, anyway!__:-\ufffd
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Post #56,397
10/12/02 5:27:45 PM
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Whew.
Was worried that you actually *HAD* fucked your kids.
That title could be taken the wrong way by your neighborhood overzealous CPS worker, you know, the one who your daughter's teacher talked to about her parents sticking crazy thoughts like "free thinking" and "rational behavior" into their heads...
End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
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Post #56,426
10/12/02 9:50:27 PM
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If I may quote.....
Dead Can Dance
Spleen and Ideal (1985)
Indoctrination (A Design for Living)
In times of great vexation
When one must choose between what's right and wrong
Freedom, so they say,
Amounts to the choices you have made
Through all the arbitrary rationale concerning liberty
Freedom, I must say,
Exists within unconditioned minds
Reason has come of age
How can you be satisfied with things the way they are
When all that surrounds us now and so much more
Remains inside the keeper's dark embrace?
The insatiable thirst for power has made
Idols out of mortals, gods into clay
Soldiers into heros, children into slaves
All damned
Desires
Their hopes betrayed
Who will suffer the laws
That State can decide your child's education
Unless you pay the price?
Refrain (x2)
Who will suffer their laws?
Who will suffer their minds?
Who will suffer their words?
Who will suffer their designs?
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Post #56,876
10/15/02 2:30:22 AM
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Change yer title, could be misconstrued.
Oi, Scott.
Where's meh BOFHly Powahs Of DOOM?
Peter
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Post #56,911
10/15/02 9:13:34 AM
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titles fine, get more google hits that way
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Lyndon LaRouche
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