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New Re: us Repeating history - Pre Poland invasion prior ww2

I feel I am hearing the rhetoric and drumbeating that preceeded German invasion of Poland pre WW2.

The majority of German people then - just like the majority US people now seem to be doing, had no qualms about accepting their leaderships claims that Poland was an evil country with evil designs on Germany (historically we know what shit that was). The Poles were seen as 'dirty' & semi sub-human people by the Germans just as many US people view Iraqis now (a sad fact).

The propaganda and manipulation taking place today seems to me to be as good a copy as one could want. Back then though, there were more countries who actually supported Germany's attack against Poland than there are countries currently supporting US Iraq plan. Perhaps that is a good trend (sickly grin).

Germany's leaders managed to engineer the phony attack on Germany by 'Polish' army and today it is hard not to view a lot of the anti Iraq claims as being a similar move using the back-drop of 9/11 as the pillar of justness.

We live in bad times. Surely we as smart people must be able to interpret the significance of why so many (almost *all*) other countries & leaders are so opposed to US plan. We give Nelson Mandela the world's highest award for his strength & integrity but choose to ignore him on what he says about US plan.

I can only say to each and all to watch & try to learn from these events - they really do herald a new world order. At least see it for what it is and don't let us pretend it is something else.

Cheers Doug






New Yes.__ and another reference or two.
In Politics forum, [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=50885| Silverlock]. posted a ref to a (apparently very well buried) attempted US coup d'etat - before the USSC one in 2000. This was planned as consequence of FDR's New Deal, in '34.

I found another ref. to a book printed in 1967! -- Are Muricans so disinterested (apart from my own ignorance of this rumored event) that.. no use has been made of the Freedom of Information Act: 68 years after the 'fact' and by now 35 years after the '67 book ?? Apparently - yup. I have to look further into this now, of course.

But the book I'm reading now, goes to your comments. From my post below S's linked one,
But Sinclair Lewis captured perfectly a sizable US group enamored of fascism, shiny boots and Efficient Authority, just like the Duke of Windsor and his Murican innamorata. Today such reactionaries seem to be calling selves some flavor of 'conservative': which was also the term used by the nascent Nazis - per a book I'm reading now, and which seems germane to this topic too:

The Revolution of Nihilism Warning to the West, by Hermann Rauschning. Publ in German (from Paris!) in May '39, just before Poland / WW-II opening. "Hermann Rauschning, the National Socialist President of the Danzig Senate in 1933-1934 who was ousted from the Hitler movement a short time later and then made a new life for himself as a professional anti-Nazi". I'll later do a review of this book, which I thought.. appeared even earlier (??) and obviously was not heeded by 'The West' or anyone else. A damning analysis of the Hows and Whys of Nazi accession.
There's some controversy about Rauschning, which I have to better sort out - he claims an intimacy with Hitler which appears dubious. But he *was* in Danzig, obviously became disaffected, and the controversy is hardly relevant to the analysis.

It's the clearest description I've seen, though he may overuse some academic words of 'political theory' - still he doesn't use them as blab-words. By dissecting the utterly 'content-free' "principles" of the Party and its elite.. I at last begin to grok the milieu, whereas before.. much was fuzzy about *HOW* the fat-cat industrialists ever *imagined* !! they'd take over after H. ascended.

Oddly too - I also heard today, thanks to Wade's posting of a link for an Oz interview [in Politics too?] with Hunter S. Thompson, via audio link.. his reminder of the precursor steps for the installation of a "temporary" military dictat, and how those steps so closely resemble the Ashcroftian processes since 9/11.

Back to your description: yes 'drumbeat' on all the Corp-controlled channels, and with some recent unheroic behaviour (re Palestinians vs Jews) at PBS, our public pseudo-BBC. It is indeed G\ufffdbbelsian propaganda, though not as clever nor [to suit our sensibilities] quiiite as strident. Yet. As Brandioch opines: look for a new revelation that Saddam abuses little girls. Then we will know the strike is imminent.

I'm barely old enough to recall live the anti-Jap caricatures, towards last of WW-II - and the slogans. This time the racism is muted but sub-rosa always there. And no, not in my lifetime did I expect to see Twice! as stark and unprincipled manipulation - right out of the textbook.

Practical difficulties though, for any nefarious schedules:

The world response - Germans didn't get to hear much of that.

Election coming in November - tip the House? retain Senate Dem majority? = depending on Dubya actions day by day, now.

Lastly and perhaps decisively - Dubya ain't no orator; he barely speaks the language. We all know what Hitler was; unequalled - maybe even by Marc Antony.

Anyway, we're both old enough to have heard certain facsimiles of this blatant manipulation via meeja - Live! and that makes the repetition even more horrific (and sadder - proves the assertion that homo-sap learns nothing from history).

I await the opposition here, to unbury itself from whatever consuming frolics are engaging most-all thus far. What Will It Take? is my question. I'm not optimistic.. feel rather that: 'events' shall likely curb any Dubya-Cheney Joint Dictat -- than imagine impeachment via an awakened and irate populace (!)

This entire week has been a circus of bathos, maudlin sentimentality re the 9/11 anniversary - orchestrated by daily sound bites from Dubya or Cheney. It's evident that this is aimed to submerge the Iraq venture opposition but enhance the appetite for Revenge: Anywhere. (I don't agree with Hunter Thompson's suggestion that 9/11 might be the time Dubya attacks! though it certainly ain't impossible)


Luck to us all,

Ashton
Billy's Dream time?
Microsoft? who are they? I want Saddam and to save those little girls.
     Saddam close to having nukes - (marlowe) - (15)
         How very convenient a prequel to the invasion. -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
             No, no, no! Not an invasion, a CRUSADE! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         Schultz is ready to go now. - (Another Scott) - (6)
             Agree it's the best yet.. - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Reasons and reasons. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                     Yes of course they will - nothing is subtle about our - (Ashton) - (3)
                         Re: us Repeating history - Pre Poland invasion prior ww2 - (dmarker2) - (1)
                             Yes.__ and another reference or two. - (Ashton)
                         The trick - (JayMehaffey)
         So, what would it take to justify an attack on Iraq? - (Brandioch) - (2)
             Ya missed something - (Silverlock)
             Re: So, what would it take to justify an attack on Iraq? - (Simon_Jester)
         Hitchens wants more explanation of our aims. - (Another Scott)
         A Humanist Viewpoint. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
             Priceless!!!!! - (TTC)

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