Alcohol kills.

Post #432,071 by malraux 12/27/19 3:58:39 PM 12/27/19 3:58:39 PM Reply	Alcohol kills. Most people think of drunk driving when they see this phrase, but alcohol is a silent, solitary killer as well. My little sister died this Christmas after losing her battle with alcohol dependency. If you know someone who drinks a lot, or if you do yourself, get some help. It's a depressing message over the holidays but a necessary one. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #432,072 by Ashton 12/27/19 4:16:30 PM 12/27/19 4:16:30 PM Reply	I no words. If your eloquent Truths aren't enough where they apply ... Pity the auditor. {{Hugs}} sent; such an un-Imaginable Loss. Take care of yourself and the others.
Post #432,075 by a6l6e6x 12/27/19 9:32:35 PM 12/27/19 9:32:35 PM Reply	It sure can! My grandfather, whom I never knew, died when my father was only 3 y/o. So, you can easily say my father never knew my grandfather either. He was an alcoholic. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #432,076 by boxley 12/27/19 9:44:08 PM 12/27/19 9:44:08 PM Reply	so sorry :-( "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,077 by scoenye 12/28/19 7:16:00 PM 12/28/19 7:16:00 PM Reply	Our condolences to you and the family :-(
Post #432,078 by a6l6e6x 12/28/19 10:16:21 PM 12/28/19 10:16:21 PM Reply	An interesting NY Times opinion article. The Patriarchy of Alcoholics Anonymous It basically explains how Alcoholics Anonymous was established in the 1930s for religious white guys and often does not work for others and especially women. It ends with: Women are the fastest-growing demographic becoming dependent on alcohol, which means we’re on our way to being a majority of participants of recovery programs. There’s no question that we need help. But we don’t need to give up our power. And, I'm sorry to have approached the topic in such a detached manner. I know that you are going through a difficult time accepting what has happened. You have my sympathy. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #432,079 by crazy 12/29/19 1:23:40 AM 12/29/19 1:23:40 AM Reply	Sorry Simple as that. On the other hand, "help" for this situation is 1920s voodoo for the vast majority of programs. I should know, I've experienced it twice, once as a true believer and then with my eyes wide open. Keep in mind, the 1st time was at age 18, and I requested it, time to grow up. 2nd time court ordered, because let's face it, use of hallucinogenic drugs on a bimonthly basis is a perfectly rational reason the send someone to an AA based rehab, and then use it as a basis to have years of forced meetings. If I didn't find an AA sponsor I'd have been sent to jail. That's the same as telling me to join a church and if they didn't believe me CLANG. https://12stepcultreligionexposed.wordpress.com/2018/07/09/orange-papers-archive-here/
Post #432,106 by Ashton 1/1/20 3:54:22 PM 1/1/20 3:54:22 PM Reply	Thanks.. pretty-much exactamente. A cerebral illumination of that phenom, bolstering my own acquired-take on their M.O. [as: ~ the dis-US' Puritan legacy again, that which morphs so many serious matters into ... a fucking-Catechism-for-the terminally-credulous]. Proof? The Mega-Church {2016: MAGA-church?} and its billionaire wallet-shearing $hepards. Enochlophobia, Agoraphobia refined to, "the fear of and desire to avoid situations wherein one believes s/he may be subjected to incapacitation, humiliation" etc). Ya needs ta grok lots of BIg-words to survive in this Tiny-minded asylum. And you have the Chops of actual {ugh} Experience, YPB.
Post #432,112 by pwhysall 1/2/20 2:23:14 AM 1/2/20 2:23:14 AM Reply	Re: Sorry I thunk (based on nothing much, I must admit) that AA worked (kindasorta) if you were in its target audience: white, Christian, fallen-middle-class/upper-working-class/possibly-ex-military, mostly male.
Post #432,120 by crazy 1/2/20 11:35:43 PM 1/2/20 11:35:43 PM Reply	And within that group not very well There are no stats and they lie about success rates.
Post #432,080 by pwhysall 12/29/19 1:40:29 AM 12/29/19 1:40:29 AM Reply	So sorry to hear. Deepest condolences to you and yours. Same thing happened to a friend's sister. Addiction is a right bastard.
Post #432,086 by rcareaga 12/29/19 9:36:29 PM 12/29/19 9:36:29 PM Reply	The universal personality solvent Alcoholism has been all over my family to greater or lesser degrees. Some of us have managed better than others: my old man went cold turkey decades before his death; my mother, well, god knows which of her vices finally took her out at seventy. My generation copes, now better, now worse. I have a little sister, and I think she’s on the safer side of the sibling spectrum. I am sorry about yours. cordially,
Post #432,124 by jake123 1/3/20 8:29:19 AM 1/3/20 8:29:19 AM Reply	I'm so sorry, Scott.
Post #432,125 by mmoffitt 1/3/20 8:39:57 AM 1/3/20 8:40:41 AM Reply	I tried to come up with something helpful to say, but failed. As a surviving older brother of a younger sibling, I believe I can empathize - at least, somewhat. But I cannot offer any words of comfort. I am very sorry for your loss. If the two of you were close, this is going to be a protracted period of sorrow for you. Time, more than any words, is an ineffective balm, but the only one available. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 3, 2020, 08:40:41 AM EST Expand All History
Post #432,148 by malraux 1/4/20 1:24:44 PM 1/4/20 1:24:44 PM Reply	Thanks everyone, I appreciate the kind words. With respect to getting help, I mean anything: acknowledgement of the problem, support, whatever works. My sister apparently spent a large percentage of her adult life struggling under financial hardship, health issues, and addiction, all slathered with a heaping portion of embarrassment and inability to admit anything was wrong at all. If we had known we could have helped. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #432,171 by CRConrad 1/6/20 1:32:41 PM 1/6/20 1:32:41 PM Reply	Belated but heartfelt condolences. And thanks for the tip... (hopefully not acutely needed).

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