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New demography is geography is destiny
I was searching for something in the archives here, in the course of which I came across a thread from January wherein auslanders boxley and Nother expressed themselves mystified that we in the Bay Area should style ourselves “Northern California” when about a third of the state’s acreage lies north of us. It’s helpful, I think, to regard the division in terms of population cluster polarities rather than of raw geography. The nucleus of “Southern California” can be thought of as a triangle the vertices of which extend from San Diego north to metropolitan LA and east past Riverside. Santa Barbara can be considered near its northern boundary. Draw a line from Santa Barbara toward Las Vegas, and these are subsets of SoCal, named with various flavors of desert. Death Valley is a kind of hybrid of the desert and the mountains that form California’s eastern spine, the Sierra Nevada (always “the Sierra” and not “the Sierras,” if you please). Bakersfield to approximately Sacramento is the “Central Valley.”

“Northern California” refers to the other major population cluster, this one with its vertices extending roughly from San Jose/Silicon Valley, north to Santa Rosa (at one time within living memory thought to be preposterously beyond the commute radius to San Francisco, whereas young couples today are prepared to pledge their firstborns to Moloch should their bid on a property there find favor with the Housing Gods), east to Sacramento. The principal subset here is the “Bay Area,” which comprises San Francisco, “the Peninsula,” the “East Bay” (which we Berkeleyites and Oaklanders further divide into us and the “Least Bay” the other side of the Oakland Hills, temperatures there lacking the cool and humid charm of our foggy precincts) and Marin County, north of the Golden Gate. The “Wine Country” comprises Napa and Sonoma Counties—Solano County, adjacent to Sonoma, is the poor stepsister: Oakland to Sonoma’s San Francisco; St. Paul to Sonoma’s Minneapolis—and, between the Bay and Sacramento lies “the Delta” (tweakers have sort of been economically cleansed in this direction). Sacramento itself, which cartoonist Dan O’Neill described as “the political pigsty of the western world” back when Reagan was governor, has experienced a surge of growth fueled by refugees fleeing the Bay Area’s exorbitant housing prices. Pretty much everything north of Sacramento is still considered “Northern California,” and although there are some serious per capita political, economic and cultural differences between, say Alameda and Modoc counties, my own neighborhood of perhaps twenty square blocks is within a thousand residents of the total population of Modoc, which went overwhelmingly for the short-fingered vulgarian in 2016, so fuck ’em.

Santa Cruz, where I passed my time as an undergraduate, is sometimes considered part of Northern California, but here the more nearly geographical designation is appropriate: most of us regard the city as being near the northern boundary of the “Central Coast,” a designation beginning approximately at San Luis Obispo, a charming town, and which takes in Big Sur.

I venture to hope that this has cleared things up.

cordially,

[Edited for a semblance of clarity]
Expand Edited by rcareaga May 10, 2019, 08:48:06 PM EDT
New thanks for the clarification
I had always thought of the bay area separate from both northern and southern cali with its own climate and culture.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New I only just grasped what "Bay Area" actually meant this last week.
I was in San Fran and the Bay area for a quick holiday. First time visit, great place to visit - and brought with it my perception that "San Francisco" could mean a very large area. Not so! I think I began to truly realize this when I got a train to San Jose.

The famous BART is called "_Bay Area_ (Rapid Transit)" for a reason.

Wade.
New San Francisco small
Forty-nine square miles. Drop the city into Los Angeles (about ten times the area, and we’re talking merely about the actual city limits—the metro area is closer to another ten times that) and it would be just another cluster of structures lost within the sprawl.

The famous BART is indeed called “Bay Area” for a reason. Every now and again—at intervals briefer than we might wish—the locals feel compelled to wonder where the “Rapid” enters into it exactly.

cordially,
New Oh yeah. It's not "Rapid Transit".
That was obvious after one ride from the airport into Powell St.

Actual Rapid Transit is handled pretty well in SF proper with the Muni Metro. BART is a consumer rail system.

Wade.
New "Consumer" = "commuter", I take it?
New Dang, yes, I meant to type "commuter".
New San Francisco, Boston, and Manhattan can all comfortably fit inside Detroit
At the same time.

Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New did you get down to chinatown? Love that place especially off the main drags
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New LA Chinatown or SF Chinatown?
The latter was a ten minute walk from the workplace. Plenty of lunches thereabouts.

cordially,
New stayed at the drake for 2 weeks due to a booking mistake at work
got down there every night
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New I did!
That was part of a long walk on the first full day going from my hotel near Union Sq over to Fisherman's Wharf.

I wandered north-ish wondering about scaling the first hill when I came across Stockton Street Tunnel. Score! Emerged in Chinatown and it was glorious, though being mid-morning I had no need for sustenance of any sort. I meandered west and north until I came to Lombard St in Russian Hill (yes, that famous street), then went down the hill to the cable car turntable on the end of Hyde St. Went east, found some lunch (fish and chips - natch!), then Pier 39 and a little tourist shopping. Got a tram back down the Embarcadero to about Pier 3 or so, then meandered back up to Union Sq.

I got sunburnt that day. :-)

Later days involved a trip to Santa Cruz to meet a friend, exploring the weird and wonderful shops in Haight-Ashbury, the City Lights Bookstore and the Cable Car Museum.

I want to come back with a slightly better organised itinerary. :-)

Wade.
New Bah, you're just not being binary enough.
If one third of California’s area is north of you, then two thirds are south of you and you are obviously in the northern half. There, done. Nuance, schmuance... (Sorry, Rand... and Ash.)
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New W-Well.. th-th-there's Something in what you s-say, I guess. What's 'binary"?
[Essay Question] and, philosophically anyway: it's H-Hard ;^>
     demography is geography is destiny - (rcareaga) - (13)
         thanks for the clarification - (boxley)
         I only just grasped what "Bay Area" actually meant this last week. - (static) - (9)
             San Francisco small - (rcareaga) - (4)
                 Oh yeah. It's not "Rapid Transit". - (static) - (2)
                     "Consumer" = "commuter", I take it? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Dang, yes, I meant to type "commuter". -NT - (static)
                 San Francisco, Boston, and Manhattan can all comfortably fit inside Detroit - (malraux)
             did you get down to chinatown? Love that place especially off the main drags -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                 LA Chinatown or SF Chinatown? - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     stayed at the drake for 2 weeks due to a booking mistake at work - (boxley)
                 I did! - (static)
         Bah, you're just not being binary enough. - (CRConrad) - (1)
             W-Well.. th-th-there's Something in what you s-say, I guess. What's 'binary"? - (Ashton)

Yeah! Coterminous!
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