are the gay folk so freaking evil?

Post #411,037 by boxley 6/12/16 10:39:08 AM 6/12/16 10:39:08 AM Reply	are the gay folk so freaking evil? why did some nutter kill 50 wound 53? this is sad, so very sad. Those folks didnt need and deserve that. I hope that if there is an afterlife that nutter needs to truly understand what he has done. always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #411,038 by Another Scott 6/12/16 10:42:31 AM 6/12/16 10:42:31 AM Reply	:-( Handgun, AR-15, maybe some sort of "device". It's too easy for dangerous people to get...
Post #411,039 by boxley 6/12/16 10:56:03 AM 6/12/16 10:56:03 AM Reply	some sort of "device". It's too easy for dangerous people to get...ooh a some sort easy to get sorry nother not today please. I can make enuf death stuff from a visit to the grocery store to kill 50 easily. Please save the gun control rahrah for some other time. always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #411,040 by boxley 6/12/16 10:58:04 AM 6/12/16 10:58:04 AM Reply	better idea lockup people who express anti gay sentiments for ever, that makes as much sense always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #411,041 by boxley 6/12/16 11:33:02 AM 6/12/16 11:33:02 AM Reply	sorry nother having a bad day, shouldnt take it out on you. Gonna sign off for a few days always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #411,042 by Another Scott 6/12/16 11:34:04 AM 6/12/16 11:34:04 AM Reply	Don't let our talking get to you. Hang in there.
Post #411,057 by rcareaga 6/13/16 12:46:03 PM 6/13/16 12:46:22 PM Reply	culture clash I detect a certain want of media savvy here. In the video posted early Monday, Seddique Mateen says his son was well-educated and respectful to his parents, and that he was "not aware what motivated him to go into a gay club and kill 50 people." The elder Mateen says he was saddened by his son's actions during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. He then adds: "God will punish those involved in homosexuality," saying it's, "not an issue that humans should deal with.” Our present era has brought with it thorny questions of conduct and decorum that would have been incomprehensible to generations past (must one respond to every text message? Is it permissible to take a selfie if a policeman is beating a passerby in the background?), but over time a social consensus emerges. For instance, if a family member shoots a hundred strangers at a disco, it’s considered good form these days to respond, should you happen to be asked, that you deprecate your relative’s conduct in the strongest terms. It’s probably best, however, to leave it there rather than go on to add that while the victims undoubtedly had it coming, your kinsman would have been better advised to let the Almighty settle their hash. I’m glad I could clear this up. cordially, Edited by rcareaga June 13, 2016, 12:46:22 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #411,070 by mmoffitt 6/13/16 4:35:54 PM 6/13/16 4:35:54 PM Reply	At least he was honest. But we don't need him to remind us that nothing of any value ever arose from the three desert religions of the West.
Post #411,073 by rcareaga 6/13/16 5:56:59 PM 6/13/16 5:56:59 PM Reply	I yield to few men in my disdain ...for the codified hallucinations of a bunch of desert-addled Bronze Age Bedouin savages, but to assert as you just have that nothing of any value ever arose from the three desert religions of the West tells us rather more about the absolutist and, to put it mildly, un-nuanced quality of your own worldview than it does about these traditions. "Nothing of any value?" Just off the top of my head, I’m thinking Palestrina, Notre Dame de Paris, the Blue Mosque, The Book of Kells, the stories of J.F. Powers and Isaac Bashevis Singer, the Sistine Chapel ceiling, the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám, Bernini’s Ecstasy of Saint Teresa…you may not care for the theologies, but the three creeds have nurtured some worthy artistic artifacts and sensibilities. faithfully,
Post #411,076 by pwhysall 6/14/16 4:13:42 AM 6/14/16 4:13:42 AM Reply	On the book of Kells I was in Dublin in 2005. They wanted €7.50 to walk past it. Each. For €15, I want to read the bloody thing aloud to my companion, drawing a greasy finger along each line of undoubtedly beautiful calligraphy. I note from Trinity College's website that they are currently rinsing people to the tune of €11 per head (€14 for the "fast track") for the privilege of walking past this illustrious tome.
Post #411,078 by Another Scott 6/14/16 8:12:55 AM 6/14/16 8:12:55 AM Reply	Meh. People gotta make a living. It's 15 Euros to walk past the Mona Lisa and see the rest of the Louvre. It's usually a once-in-a-lifetime thing. It's not that much, and it encourages the keepers to take care of it and make it available (to some extent) to the public. Cheers, Scott.
Post #411,082 by mmoffitt 6/14/16 8:20:05 AM 6/14/16 8:20:05 AM Reply	Religion remains the opiate of the People.
Post #411,083 by Another Scott 6/14/16 8:26:38 AM 6/14/16 8:26:38 AM Reply	The Pietà. also too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet%C3%A0_(Michelangelo) There's a lot of interesting stuff going on there (like she would have been about 8 feet tall if he were life-size), but it's an amazingly powerful work of art. Cheers, Scott.
Post #411,084 by mmoffitt 6/14/16 8:33:27 AM 6/14/16 8:33:27 AM Reply	Question: How many millions of lives is that art worth?
Post #411,089 by Another Scott 6/14/16 10:34:21 AM 6/14/16 10:34:21 AM Reply	You're changing the question. How many millions died for "Communism"? You said "... nothing of any value ever arose from the three desert religions of the West." You're wrong about that. Cheers, Scott.
Post #411,090 by mmoffitt 6/14/16 11:25:36 AM 6/14/16 11:25:36 AM Reply	Is this more acceptable? "Except for some art, which is only of value subjectively, nothing of any value has arisen from the desert religions of the West. And the value of that art is dwarfed by the evil that has been visited upon humanity by their adherents." That's about as far as I'll go for it presumes that the art could not have been developed in the absence of religion.
Post #411,091 by Another Scott 6/14/16 11:33:56 AM 6/14/16 11:33:56 AM Reply	No. You're trying to impose your subjective opinion that there is "nothing of any value" as fact. What is an objective fact is that many beautiful and important works of art, literature, music, architecture, philosophy, and criticism and more were created as a result of the Abrahamic religions. (Yeah, one could say similar things about the Nazis, but that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong about this.) Cheers, Scott.
Post #411,092 by mmoffitt 6/14/16 11:49:27 AM 6/14/16 11:49:27 AM Reply	You sound like Madeleine Albright. "We think the price is worth it."
Post #411,093 by Another Scott 6/14/16 12:04:11 PM 6/14/16 12:04:11 PM Reply	I guess you didn't notice I threw you some bones in that. Oh well... ;-)
Post #411,097 by rcareaga 6/14/16 3:26:56 PM 6/14/16 3:26:56 PM Reply	How's this, then? If (taking for the sake of argument the account in Exodus as having some remote basis in actual events) the Israelites had become so pissed off at Moses' ceaseless hectoring, and suspicious of his frequent unexplained absences—supposedly to confer with Yahweh, but just possibly he was heading into town to knock off a piece—that they took up golden calf worship, thereafter degenerating into one more animistic Arabian sect and vanishing from the historical record; or if at twenty-nine Jesus the carpenter had stepped on a rusty nail on his way to that first fateful meeting at the Toastmasters' Club and had thereby died of a massive infection of Clostridium tetani before he could take up his calling as a motivational speaker; or if Mohammed had choked to death on a fig as a child, then absent all three, or just two, or even one of the Abrahamic siblings, it would be a significantly different world today, and the sequence of great and small historical events* necessary to produce all of us here at IWT would not have obtained, thereby depriving humanity of our witty banter, knowing allusions, and penetrating insights and analyses of current events. Well, OK, there's boxley in one of his moods, but still. You've already told us that art is "only of value subjectively." Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the human institutions that have yielded artifacts or institutions of absolute and objective value: please specify in as much detail as you like the institutions and the valuable products. Extra points for detail. Show your work. cordially, For example, but for Pearl Harbor my old man would probably have got some girl in trouble in St. Louis rather than running off to enlist in the Marines and waiting until after the war to meet my mother in Mexico City and get her* in trouble. Thanks, Admiral Yamamoto!
Post #411,094 by malraux 6/14/16 1:48:08 PM 6/14/16 1:48:08 PM Reply	Research suggests that there would be no society without it I'll try to dig up the link, but it was something along the lines of religious persecution and us vs. them contributing to the rise of more than familial groups. Nothing we have around us would be here if it weren't for that. Now, you can argue the value of that, I suppose, but personally I'm happy not to be grubbing for tubers and running from tigers. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #411,095 by crazy 6/14/16 1:51:17 PM 6/14/16 1:51:17 PM Reply	This argument reminds of this https://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso
Post #411,096 by rcareaga 6/14/16 3:16:08 PM 6/14/16 3:16:08 PM Reply	Splitter!
Post #411,102 by Another Scott 6/14/16 9:01:21 PM 6/14/16 9:01:21 PM Reply	:-)
Post #411,074 by Andrew Grygus 6/13/16 6:53:16 PM 6/13/16 6:53:16 PM Reply	Translation: "My son did the right thing, but I'm not allowed to say that in this fucked up country."

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