another explaination for the greece no vote

Post #403,274 by boxley 7/6/15 10:56:57 PM Reply	another explaination for the greece no vote fuck the fraudsters. http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/07/05/greece-what-you-are-not-being-told-by-the-media/?utm_content=buffer53453&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer they should drop out of the euro and repay all notes in drachmas with a 30% haircut on all notes over 5% Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #403,281 by mmoffitt 7/7/15 10:02:48 AM Reply	Outstanding! Full Agreement.
Post #403,283 by drook 7/7/15 10:26:39 AM Reply	Are both sides right? I'm pretty sure the story above is pretty much how it played out. And if it wasn't a conscious plan from the beginning it was entirely predictable, and those perpetrating it figured, "It's not a problem. Or at least not my problem, so same diff." And the other story Peter told about their rampant cronyism and utterly inept tax collection could also be true. My question is, wasn't Greece a functioning country prior to joining the EU? Did the corruption and broken taxation not start until after they joined? If those problems existed prior to joining, how did the rest of Europe either not see it, or decide to allow them to join anyway? -- Drew
Post #403,284 by pwhysall 7/7/15 10:33:38 AM Reply	They lied. Through their teeth. That's how they got in.
Post #403,285 by crazy 7/7/15 10:45:37 AM Reply	But you knew it You (the generic eu you) were complicit.
Post #403,286 by pwhysall 7/7/15 10:53:19 AM Reply	Not us, ackshully. The EU and the Eurozone are two different things, and the UK is in the former and not the latter. But yes, the point stands. Greece's application should have failed the laugh test.
Post #403,287 by drook 7/7/15 11:12:12 AM 7/7/15 11:13:15 AM Reply	So basically it was a NINJA loan Back to my original question: Wasn't Greece a functioning country prior to joining the EU? And the implied followup: How were they getting by before joining? -- Drew Edited by drook July 7, 2015, 11:13:15 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #403,288 by pwhysall 7/7/15 11:19:16 AM Reply	Sort of and sort of.
Post #403,293 by Another Scott 7/7/15 1:24:58 PM Reply	Supposedly Goldman Sachs was Greece's banker... http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-676634.html#spRedirectedFrom=www&referrrer=https://www.google.ch/ Lots of people wanted Greece in the Euro whether they were ready or not. Whatever the history is, problems with the tax system and corruption can'take be fixed in 6 months even if you have willing partners. Greece didn't have a willing partner to help them get growing again. Atrios has explained all of this very well for years: "People got no jobs and got no money." Greece's economy is built on tourism and shipping - which both dried up when the economy imploded. Things won't get better until people are working and have money to spend. Until the troika gets out of their moralistic punishment mode, thing aren'the going to change, and as such, Greece's government will have no incentive to listen to their advice. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #403,297 by pwhysall 7/7/15 2:04:53 PM Reply	Doesn't matter what the troika does. Unless the Greeks actually start to collect some tax, start retiring at a practical age, and generally start doing all the other stuff that goes with having an actually functioning economy, the entire debt could be forgiven right now, and they'd still be up shit creek in a decade's time. Fuck 'em. They've had 30 (or more!) years to not be as bent as a three-pound note. But they wanted into the €, and now the Merkelpiper is calling the tune.
Post #403,299 by mmoffitt 7/7/15 2:20:28 PM Reply	With a banker like Goldman, they were doomed from the start.

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