I have had this problem.

Post #40,035 by Andrew Grygus 5/27/02 9:58:38 AM Reply	I have had this problem. It happens with drives that are never turned off. The disk spins, so dropping it, hitting it, etc. doesn't help. The way I've gotten around it is to power it up over and over until it finally manages to get up to speed before it times out. Let it wind down a bit after the beep and juice it again, over and over. Has taken at least 50, maybe 100 power cycles. I'm told this happens because the landing zone gets a crud film on it that causes drag if the drive is always powered up. There was a warning out about this for poeple who intended to power down over Y2K. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #40,079 by kmself 5/27/02 4:49:22 PM Reply	I resemble this remark This system typically had uptimes of 60-90+ days. The four months it's been powered down are the longest downtime it's had since I received it. If it matters, the drive orientation is vertical -- there's an extra drive bay with three drives in it (one IDE, two SCSI), all sitting on their sides. So I may try pulling the unit out and powering it freed from any chassis, in various orientations, with a few knocks, drops, and raps as appropriate. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #40,111 by Ashton 5/27/02 9:32:36 PM Reply	Another er physics approach which once worked on an old MFM Seagate (!) You want the platters to spin << 'Dropping gently' isn't Torque!. ('Course dropping with long thin-side parallel to floor, so that an edge hits a convenient fulcrum just over the pillow: Would impart some torque of the right vector!) Might try holding drive in hand; about it's disc axis - spin your hand as fast as possible. Dunno how many times is a test, or - if you'll "feel" that your angular accel. broke-free a glued head, but you might get that feedback too (I can't recall re the Seagate..) Luck Ashton
Post #40,125 by kmself 5/27/02 11:11:15 PM Reply	Solved: That seems to be the trick I pulled the drive, laid it flat (which I can do with the best of them), powered it a couple of times, no dice. Did the "all in the wrist thing" (CG is significantly off the platter's spin axis, but it seemed close enough to work without major damage). After about fifty reps, applied juice again and she spun up. Now if I can get the molasses out of the rest of the (PPro 180) system.... But she should repurpose nicely as some part of my services/firewall/proxy system. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #40,126 by Andrew Grygus 5/27/02 11:14:09 PM Reply	No, he says it already spins. It just times out before it gets up to speed. Unless you can twist your hand at 5000 rpm, it's not likely to do much good, and banging is just goint to do damage. It's got to get up to speed before it moves the heads off the landing track, and that's where the drag is. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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