Seagate ST32155N error on spin-up. Beeps, won't run

Post #40,016 by kmself 5/27/02 3:55:00 AM 5/27/02 5:25:36 AM Reply	Seagate ST32155N error on spin-up. Beeps, won't run I'm uncrating my desktop system following the move (hey, it's only been four months). Discovered that on startup, SCSI disk ID 0 fails to spin up, but instead seems to give it a whack (I can hear the drive motor winding up), then beeps. This is a beep coming from the drive itself, not the system speaker. I've checked the drives by pulling them fully out of their enclosures and inspecting jumper settings. This one does not have SCSI ID specified (it's ID 0 by default), and has "Term power from drive" selected on the second set of jumpers along the bottom of the drive. I've also tried disconnecting power and controller cables from all drives, connecting power to the one SCSI device, and powering up the system. I get the same behavior as described: the unit sounds like it's trying to spin up, gets an error, beeps, and retries about two more times, then quits. Google (web/groups) indicates stiction is a known issue. Wondering if there are any stiction bypass routines known or recommended.... Data's backed up, and this is just /usr anyway, but it would be nice to bump the old dog up one more time before trashing it. Otherwise...looks like I may need some 50-pin SCSI replacements. Not sure how available these are. Hmm...Pricewatch finds 18 GiB Seagates for about $180, smaller sizes for less. The card I've got is an Adaptec 2940U, these were SCSI Narrow drives. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]` Edited by kmself May 27, 2002, 05:25:36 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #40,019 by static 5/27/02 6:33:14 AM Reply	Stiction tactics. Drop it 2 or 3 inches squarely onto a table, right side up. I am not kidding. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #40,024 by pwhysall 5/27/02 7:46:30 AM Reply	Re: Stiction tactics. I have had success by giving the drive a firm tap on a desktop, oriented so that the platters are vertical. This unjammed an old WD IDE drive that ran for another six months before a power surge fried it, and the computer it was in. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #40,027 by static 5/27/02 8:04:31 AM Reply	Actually, now that you mention it... ... I have an old SCSI drive on my sampler that starts up more reliably if I turn it over before powering it up (I don't use it much). I think it's currently upside down for that reason. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #40,031 by Meerkat 5/27/02 8:22:43 AM Reply	Had a similar thing with an IDE drive One of the drives in my Linux box, has been giving death rattles since, oh, 1999 or so. (Has given me a great deal of respect for Fujitsu drives). Anyway, it behaves better upside down. And was much happier when constantly running, rather than having APM power it down a lot. As for stiction, I once read a story from a gentleman who had to take his hard drive for a ten minute drive every time he wanted to use it. Twas the only reliable method to unstick it, he said. I guess, in this case, YMMV :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #40,072 by orion 5/27/02 4:17:37 PM Reply	Learned from "Lexx" and the old Apple /// The old Apple /// had chips that did not quit make connections, so the user was informed to drop it off a small chair onto the floor to get the chips in place. On "Lexx" Kai was totally messed up on his spine from falling off the Lexx, so they took him to the top of a tall tower and threw him off again, and it realigned his spine! Nice work for Science Finction, eh? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #40,034 by Another Scott 5/27/02 9:40:02 AM Reply	Rather than get a 50 pin replacement, go 68 pin. It's hard to find 50 pin drives now. 68 and 80 pin are most common these days. You can get 68 to 50 pin adapters ($60-90 or so at Insight.com), but replacing your 8-bit controller with a 16-bit 68 pin controller probably makes more sense (depending on your budget, how long you want the parts to last, etc.) Insight has a "Golden Ram" 18 GB 50 pin drive for $284. No idea about the quality, etc., and Insight isn't the cheapest vendor. I'd skip it. Newegg has 18 GB Fujitsu 10k RPM 68 and 80 pin Ultra160 drives for $145. IBM, Maxtor and Seagate are comparably priced. They also have a Tekram DC395UW (with 50 and 68 pin connectors, uses a Tekram chip) for $55. (I don't know the limitations on the 395UW controller other than it's 40 MB/s max - I'd get at least the 390U2W myself - 80 MB/s LVD, Symbios 53C895 chip, $123). HTH. GL! Cheers, Scott.
Post #40,035 by Andrew Grygus 5/27/02 9:58:38 AM Reply	I have had this problem. It happens with drives that are never turned off. The disk spins, so dropping it, hitting it, etc. doesn't help. The way I've gotten around it is to power it up over and over until it finally manages to get up to speed before it times out. Let it wind down a bit after the beep and juice it again, over and over. Has taken at least 50, maybe 100 power cycles. I'm told this happens because the landing zone gets a crud film on it that causes drag if the drive is always powered up. There was a warning out about this for poeple who intended to power down over Y2K. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #40,079 by kmself 5/27/02 4:49:22 PM Reply	I resemble this remark This system typically had uptimes of 60-90+ days. The four months it's been powered down are the longest downtime it's had since I received it. If it matters, the drive orientation is vertical -- there's an extra drive bay with three drives in it (one IDE, two SCSI), all sitting on their sides. So I may try pulling the unit out and powering it freed from any chassis, in various orientations, with a few knocks, drops, and raps as appropriate. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #40,111 by Ashton 5/27/02 9:32:36 PM Reply	Another er physics approach which once worked on an old MFM Seagate (!) You want the platters to spin << 'Dropping gently' isn't Torque!. ('Course dropping with long thin-side parallel to floor, so that an edge hits a convenient fulcrum just over the pillow: Would impart some torque of the right vector!) Might try holding drive in hand; about it's disc axis - spin your hand as fast as possible. Dunno how many times is a test, or - if you'll "feel" that your angular accel. broke-free a glued head, but you might get that feedback too (I can't recall re the Seagate..) Luck Ashton
Post #40,125 by kmself 5/27/02 11:11:15 PM Reply	Solved: That seems to be the trick I pulled the drive, laid it flat (which I can do with the best of them), powered it a couple of times, no dice. Did the "all in the wrist thing" (CG is significantly off the platter's spin axis, but it seemed close enough to work without major damage). After about fifty reps, applied juice again and she spun up. Now if I can get the molasses out of the rest of the (PPro 180) system.... But she should repurpose nicely as some part of my services/firewall/proxy system. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #40,126 by Andrew Grygus 5/27/02 11:14:09 PM Reply	No, he says it already spins. It just times out before it gets up to speed. Unless you can twist your hand at 5000 rpm, it's not likely to do much good, and banging is just goint to do damage. It's got to get up to speed before it moves the heads off the landing track, and that's where the drag is. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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