I make no predictions about post-revolution America.

Post #390,601 by mmoffitt 6/11/14 10:29:23 AM 6/11/14 1:07:25 PM Reply	I make no predictions about post-revolution America. I cannot possibly know what would happen in America post-revolution, but if I understand your question, you're asking me what I'd hope happened. I can speak to that a little. In my view, the United States is a failed experiment. The form of government enshrined in the US Constitution could (and did) work very well for a nation of 6 million. It almost became completely undone when the population hit 31 million in 1860. It does not perform well at all for a nation of 320 million. One could argue, I suppose, that it is still working very well for the 10 million or so who live in Manhattan, New York and Boston. There seems to me to be some critical population size for which democracy no longer functions well. If we include Russia and drop the Vatican in our definition of "Europe" we end up with around 12.8 million people per country. Drop Russia (with its population of roughly 143 million) from the definition and we end up with fewer than 10.5 million per country. Countries of the size of 10-20 million in close geographic proximity have a much better chance of sanity in their governance. So, a better post-revolution US would be a loose confederation of new, independent states. A common government with no power save "the common defense" could be configured with the existing armed forces remaining roughly unchanged. The states would all contribute to the funding and manning of these forces. Basically form a US "EU" + NATO with new nation states (having nothing to do with the old states of the US) consisting of no more than 20 million or so. I think this, or something very like this, is ultimately what will happen and I genuinely believe it will be better. But I know it's not "right around the corner" and I'm not going to live long enough to see it. Perhaps my daughter's won't either, I can't say. But I'm convinced what I've laid out here in broad strokes is the end game of the dis-USA. I hope it comes to pass and soon, but I'm doubtful. This disfunctioning oligarchy will drag on for as long as Progressives can find the stomach to continue voting for enemies of the People because they are "less bad than someone else." Edited by mmoffitt June 11, 2014, 01:07:25 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #390,615 by rcareaga 6/11/14 12:09:08 PM Reply	intriguing notion Perhaps we can enlarge upon this presently in a fresh thread. Minor nit: 2014 population is estimated at a bit under 320 million. cordially,
Post #390,618 by mmoffitt 6/11/14 1:07:39 PM Reply	Corrected. Thanks.
Post #390,686 by Ashton 6/12/14 6:53:39 AM Reply	Seems a sensible hope, tempered by an equally rational probability. (ie not very.. high) You may be right that Size Matters (ignore other associations.) I don't see much happening until there is a (commanding) plebiscite agreeing/disagreeing with only One question, ~~ Is it your belief that, considering all the matters on your personal agenda re the current U.S.Constitutional mandates, the current conduct of the three branches of Government and your assessment of current living conditions in this, your country, that: Our System of Government has become irremediably dysfunctional? Well, something like that: it is conceivable (and referenced by the Founding Mothers) for there to occur a somewhat orderly demand to convene a Constitutional Convention ... and try to do better than [some future crisis-of-Confidence.] Unfortunately this course demands participation of a basically-educated group of authentic Citizens (even to understand-the-Question.) And, it's a real crap-shoot that such would be the case. Given the %mouth-breathers du jour: I punt, again. Doesn't matter 'what I'd prefer' in the way of a less-bloody yet effective Revolution. I don't believe we have enough authentic Citizens for any such pipe-dream. I also don't think I'll miss at all, not being around to watch squads of real-pieces-of-work -vs- sincere non-predatory Good guys n'gals playing Lexington & Concord. With heat-seeking missiles, IEDs and dum-dums. (There are some real scum out there who, as in the current Corporatocracy, give not-a-shit about construction, when destruction is what gives them a stiffie.) Anyone who saw Wednesday's NOVA, Earth from Space, employing unprecedented coordination of data from all orbiters, synthesized into beautiful, educative graphics: will see Why a bunch of testosterone-crazed militants will kill not merely the dis-USA, but disrupt [n+1000] feedback-loops essential for maintenance of a livable Earth. It's bleak, maybe Hopeless but, fortunately: it's all about a future series of good/bad/indifferent choices we can't imagine at all. Carrion.

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