Post #384,575
12/24/13 10:29:17 AM
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The War on Christmas
In a binding flash of the obvious, I realized what all the angst is about.
Any reasonable person can see that "Happy Holidays" isn't anti-Christmas. If anything it's trying to be *more* inclusive. But isn't that how Christmas absorbed Saturnalia and all the other solstice festivals? "Sure, keep celebrating your pagan holiday, but we *also* celebrate Christmas."
The problem for the incumbents is that they can't point to the Jews, or the communists, or the Muslims, or the blacks who are "behind" it. It's *everyone*, a conspiracy of aligned interest.
That's why they rant and rave about the secularists, and talk dismissively about Hanukkah and Kwanzaa and all the other year-end holidays.
Their dominant Christian culture *is* losing power, its observances being subsumed into the new culture. They intuitively *feel* that it's happening, but can't find an enemy to direct their anger at.
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Drew
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Post #384,576
12/24/13 10:40:45 AM
12/24/13 10:42:56 AM
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The War on Christmas edit added anothe quote
was started by the christians.
. In 1647, the Puritan-led English Parliament banned the celebration of Christmas, replacing it with a day of fasting and considering it "a popish festival with no biblical justification", and a time of wasteful and immoral behavior. http://en.wikipedia....versy#Puritan_era
Historian Stephen Nissenbaum contends that the modern celebration in the United States was developed in New York State from defunct and imagined Dutch and English traditions in order to refocus the holiday from one where groups of young men went from house to house demanding alcohol and food into one centered on the happiness of children. He notes that there was deliberate effort to prevent the children from becoming greedy in response. maybe we should show up to Bill O'Reilly's house with empty tankards
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Edited by boxley
Dec. 24, 2013, 10:42:56 AM EST
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Post #384,577
12/24/13 10:48:10 AM
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And because we screwed up that last part ...
The Krampus is making a comeback.
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Drew
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Post #384,591
12/24/13 3:03:54 PM
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Boy, did we EVER screw up 'that last part'!
Ever talk to the offspring of über-rich parents?
(The parents may well have counseled otherwise--in words--to kid ... but seemingly their actions all along taught the message of: Me/Nobility.)
..and they go out and emulate Wall Street--the movie. Becoming the next Generation of Vipers.
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Post #384,641
12/26/13 11:25:18 AM
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Not their fault. They have affluenza.
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Post #384,579
12/24/13 10:55:32 AM
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The Christians stole the holiday from the Pagans.
The Pagans have taken it back. The wild Saturnalia starts on the 17th (only 8 more shopping days until Christmas!) and leads up to the more solemn Sol Invictus on the 25th. So, Happy Sol Invictus, everyone!
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Post #384,583
12/24/13 11:50:43 AM
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So, the Incas had it right!
It's not good to be a llama during the Inti Raymi. :)
Alex
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Post #384,609
12/25/13 12:40:12 AM
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And to you, and everyone as well. I hope it's a good one.
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Post #384,578
12/24/13 10:50:12 AM
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They're running out of things to "war on" about.
Mixing of the Races, Flag Burning, Balanced Budget Amendment, School Busing, "Traditional Marriage", etc., etc. Too many culture-clash items that were supposed to result in the "End of the Republic!!11" if they weren't defeated or enacted have come and gone and we're still here (and even better for it).
They have lost on the items above, and are losing on the WoC. It's laziness on their part - going to the same old well in an attempt to rile-up the oldsters yet one more time - just like clockwork - http://www.google.co...%20on%20christmas
So, for at least some of them, the new approach is to try to reinterpret icons on the left as "really" being conservative. Jesus, JFK, MLK, Rosa Parks - I wouldn't be surprised if FDR is next. I guess something we saw yesterday at the Mercado in San Antonio is part of that approach: a dreamcatcher with the center circles made up of Confederate flags.... :-/ (You can even find them on Amazon.)
<sigh>
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #384,581
12/24/13 11:44:36 AM
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Ahem,
perfectly legitimate dream catcher.
In spite of early successes, by the winter of 1862-63 the Confederate hold on the Cherokee Nation was slipping. Nonetheless, Watie's Regiment continued to harass Federal forces. In June and September 1864, scored his greatest military feats in the capture of the Union steamboat J.R. Williams and the Second Battle of Cabin Creek. In May 1864 Watie was promoted to brigadier general, and in February 1865 he was placed in command of the Indian Division of Indian Territory. However, by then the war was lost. Watie surrendered on June 23, 1865. He was the last Confederate general to do so. Afterward, he served as a member of the pro-Southern Cherokee delegation to the Fort Smith Council in September 1865. http://digital.libra...ries/W/WA040.html
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Post #384,585
12/24/13 12:14:31 PM
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Of course.
<sigh>
I'm sure the people selling those things in south Texas were celebrating their Cherokee heritage. :-/
See Swake's comments here - http://www.city-data...e-flags-ok-9.html
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #384,587
12/24/13 1:06:49 PM
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It is perfectly fine...
to take pot shots at him. He as much as admitted he believes his own spew.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
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Post #384,588
12/24/13 1:13:23 PM
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why do you describe a bunch of comments that reflect my view
that Scott Posted as spew? He posted them. It's christmas dude, save you hatred for after new year at least
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Post #384,589
12/24/13 1:17:42 PM
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Fine.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
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Post #384,604
12/24/13 9:56:20 PM
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I'm going to update this software
To make it impossible for you to reply to each other. Give it a rest, it gets very old. Take it to email if you feel the need but I'm sick of seeing it here.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #384,628
12/25/13 10:22:01 PM
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don't bother, time for me to grow up and ignore folks
instead of responding, apologies for the grief
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
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Post #384,632
12/25/13 10:35:37 PM
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Kidding more than anything
But making a point too. ;-)
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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