Post #381,986
10/10/13 3:08:48 PM
10/10/13 3:11:02 PM
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s/Micro/Nano.
The point is still valid. I can still choose not to get a driver's license.
That said, it's not the health insurance mandate per se that I object to. It's that I am now born into a legal requirement to pay a group of shareholders of a private institution a profit for my right to breathe.
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 10, 2013, 03:11:02 PM EDT
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Post #381,988
10/10/13 3:19:19 PM
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Pick the right religion and requirement goes away. HTH!
If you feel strongly enough about it, there are ways not to have to pay:
"The MAN isn't going to tell me what to do! I QUIT! No Income means No Insurance Mandate! Take THAT, The MAN!!!11"
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #382,014
10/11/13 8:05:00 AM
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You're just trolling now.
If you feel strongly enough about it, there are ways not to have to pay
With car insurance, I do NOT have to change any behavior to avoid the mandate. The car insurance mandate hits me because I've chosen to alter my behavior in a manner that subjects me to that mandate.
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Post #381,989
10/10/13 3:20:46 PM
10/10/13 3:22:12 PM
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You are also born into a...
Mandate to eat to live.
Why aren't you complaining about the fact the Food Stamps and WIC... Subsistence isn't provided then?
Why is it illegal to starve oneself to death (aka Suicide), even though one can't afford food and must pay to have a job...
Hmmm.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Edited by folkert
Oct. 10, 2013, 03:22:12 PM EDT
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Post #382,012
10/11/13 8:01:29 AM
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Seriously, for you and Scott.
You guys seriously have no problem with a law that says, "Because you were born here, you need to give Wall Street money."?
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Post #382,016
10/11/13 8:08:57 AM
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Where does it say that?
There are loans available for people to get together to create non-profit insurance co-ops that are listed on the exchanges.
http://www.cms.gov/C...loan-program.html
To date, a total of 23 non-profits offering coverage in 24 states have been awarded $1,954,918,609.
If you don't want to give Blankfein and Corbat money, there's nothing in the PPACA that says you must. If your state doesn't have such a co-op, get cracking!
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #382,020
10/11/13 9:19:27 AM
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MLR of 80%.
Average "admin expenses" for private health insurers (and one *might* rightly call at least some part of that "profit") run around 16%. That leaves at least 4% for guess who? The shareholders. HTH.
For comparison, Medicare's administrative costs are around 3 per cent. Meaning, of course, the government is *vastly more efficient* at processing medical claims than is the private sector. But, as your guy in the White House made abundantly clear: we cannot have a government Single Payer Plan because that leaves all of Wall Street and their investors out of the profit taking business in our healthcare delivery system.
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Post #382,021
10/11/13 10:00:35 AM
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<sigh>
How many votes does the President get in the Senate again? I thought it was zero.
Again, there were no votes to spare in the Senate, and too many weren't ever going to accept a public option (let alone single-payer/Medicare for All). Obama knew how to count to 60.
You keep beating this poor horse that has long since given up the ghost. You need to move on. IMHO, of course. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #382,023
10/11/13 10:52:00 AM
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<sigh> We're in a loop.
You've consistently said, "He didn't have the votes." The truth is, my friend, that we will never know because he decided he did not want to gamble. He decided that despite public support of nearly 70% for it, he didn't want to risk being unable to persuade establishment politicians in the Senate to vote in their constituents' interests. This is precisely the cause of the disillusionment with him from the Left. In 2008, many thought they were voting for "Change They Could Believe In" or more precisely that we'd finally have a President who would support the people's will, instead of Wall Street's. He could have let (at least) the public option bill *passed by the House* go to the Senate and then try to shame the Senate (held by his own party no less) into being a part of the real change he had campaigned on. If he had done that (and even FAILED!) he would have won re-election in a landslide over Mittens. And those who did not vote for a bill with a public option might have been forced from office by the very same crowd that voted for Obama in 2008, but stayed home in '10 and '12.
I know the horse is dead. I'm just not happy that the leader of the Democratic Party is the one that shot it.
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Post #382,096
10/14/13 2:44:26 AM
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ICLRPD.
"I know the horse is dead. I'm just not happy that the leader of the Democratic Party is the one that shot it."
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi
(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
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Post #382,019
10/11/13 9:11:09 AM
10/11/13 9:12:26 AM
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Found a mutual insurance company off-Broa--eh, off-Wall Str.
Ah, duh, SKott beat me to it. As usual.
Edited by CRConrad
Oct. 11, 2013, 09:12:26 AM EDT
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