Post #35,121
4/11/02 12:30:08 PM
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UN wins, America is no longer sovreign
Our rights as citizens of America on American Soil is now subservient to the group that placed Sudan at the table of human rights protectors while removing us.
[link|http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27180|link]
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U.S. treaty specialists underscore the unique danger of the ICC: It is not a treaty among parties in agreement, but is instead a new, and many believe dangerous, species of an international instrument that subordinates all nation states in the world to the rule of the United Nations' court. The ICC can prosecute whenever it deems a nation's courts have failed to prosecute its own violators of "human rights." Never before has such power been held over nation states, say court critics.
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NGO's can bring these cases, convceivabley an Arab NGO could charge Ashecroft with violating Osama Bin Laden's rights, arrest try and execute him.
thanx,
bill
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Post #35,132
4/11/02 1:25:07 PM
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Bah
The government signed away national sovreignty to the WTO a long time ago. Compared to that secret court system and what it can do this is trivial. I do find it amusing how many knee-jerk Republicans are strenously objecting to this after supporting the WTO's far worse system.
Yes, there a lot of questions about what the domain of this court is, but practically speaking it's very limited. The UN provides a far lower level of rights then the US (in both theory and practice) does, thus the odds that any American whould ever find himself in front of that court is slim.
The only real danger here is too the president, who will find his ability to engage in unilateral military action somewhat curtailed. I can't see where that is a bad thing.
Jay
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Post #35,137
4/11/02 1:52:06 PM
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Operation Just Cause lead someone to some ideas eh?
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Post #35,188
4/11/02 5:58:06 PM
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Right.
Further evidence that the US should pull out of the so-called United Nations. United? Hah.
Famous last RPG quotes: "I'll just shoot this fireball down the dungeon passageway..."
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Post #35,201
4/11/02 7:57:13 PM
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Circular logic - who's causing the dis-unity? (A: the US of)
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Post #35,239
4/12/02 9:09:48 AM
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Boy that didnt take long, announced yesterday
and already a target in site
[link|http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20020412-73662628.htm|link]
told ya.
thanx,
Bill
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Post #35,250
4/12/02 11:48:02 AM
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And no mention of armored bulldozers used to hide evidence.
Alex
"Never express yourself more clearly than you think." -- Neils Bohr (1885-1962)
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Post #35,253
4/12/02 12:03:10 PM
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So Jenin is going to no longer exist?
Palestinians will never be allowed to go there? Ever? If there was crimes committed and no doubt some were in the heat of battle, wait for the evidence please. If you cant wait I am sure the PA will manufacture some for you. As the PA claims to Israel manufacturing evidence against them.
thanx,
Bill
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Post #35,264
4/12/02 1:27:59 PM
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You mean like the explosives belt in an ambulance on way...
to hospital next to a dead Palestinian? What a fortuitous find? My goodness, that explains why ambulances must not be allowed to pick up the injured or dead Palestinians and why tanks should crush ambulances on sight.
Alex
"Never express yourself more clearly than you think." -- Neils Bohr (1885-1962)
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Post #35,282
4/12/02 5:38:19 PM
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"Wait for the evidence"??? And where are you going to...
...PRESENT the evidence?!?
...if not in a court of law -- that's what they're *for*, you know.
Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #35,387
4/14/02 6:40:37 PM
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Opposing viewpoint
[link|http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1085311|The Economist]
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #35,798
4/17/02 4:41:12 PM
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Israel first now Powell the process has started
[link|http://www.dailystar.com.lb/16_04_02/art23.asp|link]
"According to Yasser Mounif of Khat Mubashar, the group hopes their initiative will gain momentum and transform their accusations from a symbolic step into an actual conviction.
\ufffdIn light of his visit, and all the misleading images it may carry, we thought that raising the issue now was appropriate,\ufffd he said. \ufffdBut this doesn\ufffdt mean that the group is absolving other personalities of their crimes.\ufffd
The statement denounced US policy in the region and blamed Powell for the burning alive of Iraqi soldiers during the Gulf War and using depleted uranium warheads, which it said had caused \ufffdthe disability of 136,000 US soldiers.\ufffd
It also claimed that Powell played a role in massacres and other crimes that have taken place in Panama, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras"
The inmates are in charge, etc
thanx,
bill
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