Las Vegas debates

Post #349,350 by malraux 10/18/11 11:15:45 PM Reply	Las Vegas debates As a matter of course I generally don't watch debates, as the format is geared towards confrontation and not actual discussion or education. However, I watched a few clips tonight (boredom, I guess): http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html A few comments: 1) It was fun watching Perry get his ass handed to him about immigration. You can tell that Romney is about as practiced as it gets with debates. 2) Similarly, Cain was getting dinged right and left about 9/9/9. Romney's pile-on was amusing. I understand what both sides are doing: Cain is getting frustrated that people are deliberately misunderstanding his plan, and the others are trying to cast it as another tax. The latter would backfire if people weren't generally credulous. 3) What in the Nine Hells of Repression is Bachmann wearing? Is she the Admiral of Anti Atheism or something? Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #349,353 by jay 10/18/11 11:34:56 PM Reply	Re: Las Vegas debates 1) It was fun watching Perry get his ass handed to him about immigration. You can tell that Romney is about as practiced as it gets with debates. That is more or less why Perry's nomination is withering. He lacks even Bush's superficial everyman charm. 2) Similarly, Cain was getting dinged right and left about 9/9/9. Romney's pile-on was amusing. I understand what both sides are doing: Cain is getting frustrated that people are deliberately misunderstanding his plan, and the others are trying to cast it as another tax. The latter would backfire if people weren't generally credulous. Which is doubly amusing because the plan is terrible even without misunderstanding it. But it's easier to misunderstand it and attack the straw man then provide real information. 3) What in the Nine Hells of Repression is Bachmann wearing? Is she the Admiral of Anti Atheism or something? She would like to be. As her campaign has fallen apart, she has drifted further out on religious issues. To the point where she basically is now denying the concept of separation of church and state. Jay
Post #349,377 by S1mon_Jester 10/19/11 1:13:50 PM Reply	One minor nit As her campaign has fallen apart, she has drifted further out on religious issues. To the point where she basically is now denying the concept of separation of church and state. I don't think it took her campaign to fall apart for her to drift on that. That has been one of her central issues. "[Public schools] are teaching children that there is separation of church and state, and I am here to tell you that is a myth. That's not true," Bachmann said at the group's 2006 fundraiser in Minneapolis. "And they explain to children in the public school system what a myth that is. And that's what I love about this ministry ... We want kids to come to the truth and that's why this ministry is so absolutely vital. We need them in every public school classroom across the state to tell young people, You Can Run But You Cannot Hide." http://minnesotainde...oversial-ministry
Post #349,420 by jay 10/20/11 10:23:52 AM Reply	Ok, more public Your right she has always been a right wing kook, but I get the impressions that as her campaign has faded she has been more open about it. She isn't even trying to appeal to the center any more, so she can say whatever she really believes or what will appeal to the extreme Christian right. Jay
Post #349,360 by pwhysall 10/19/11 6:55:31 AM Reply	Re: Las Vegas debates I dunno what's funnier - her Blake's 7 outfit, or the fact that if an unwashed Arab hippie walked into her driveway and start telling people to love each other, she'd sic her dogs and guards on him quicker than you can say "fucking hateful hypocritical witch".
Post #349,379 by lincoln 10/19/11 2:04:56 PM Reply	Re: Las Vegas debates COOPER: Congresswoman Bachmann, does the federal government have a role in keeping people in their homes, saving people from foreclosure, in the state of Nevada? BACHMANN: That was the question that was initially asked. And what I want to say is this -- every day I'm out somewhere in the United States of America, and most of the time I'm talking to moms across this country. When you talk about housing, when you talk about foreclosures, you're talking about women who are at the end of their rope because they're losing their nest for their children and for their family. And there are women right now all across this country and moms across this country whose husbands, through no fault of their own, are losing their job, and they can't keep that house. And there are women who are losing that house. I'm a mom. I talk to these moms. I just want to say one thing to moms all across America tonight. This is a real issue. It's got to be solved. President Obama has failed you on this issue of housing and foreclosures. I will not fail you on this issue. I will turn this country around. We will turn the economy around. We will create jobs. That's how you hold on to your house. Hold on, moms out there. It's not too late. Does pandering get any more empty than this? http://blogs.chicago...ipt.html#comments "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow

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