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New If you believe in prayer, pray hard.
We* have a chance to get BEA's Weblogic Server for a $30 admin fee (declared value, $10,000) through a donation program. Sure would be a LOT nicer than running Tomcat. Plus it'll lock up the J2EE vs .NET debate. So for all the ABM faithful out there, pray hard.


* [link|http://www.comebuildhope.com|Amor Ministries]. We build homes for the poor in Mexico.
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A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly by the chain of their own ideas;...despair and time eat away the bonds of iron and steel, but they are powerless against the habitual union of ideas, they can only tighten it still more; and on the soft fibres of the brain is founded the unshakable base of the soundest of Empires."

Jacques Servan, 1767
New Re: If you believe in prayer, pray hard.
you got it
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Steve
New RUN AWAY..... RUN AWAY FAST!!!!!
Darn it.

I am running BEA's Tuxedo, Jolt and Weblogic on my RS/6000 B80s. Plus Tuxedo on our AIX Oracle servers

mumble---mumble---mumble...

I have to use sticky-bit routing between 10 Weblogic instances running on the same box to keep reponse fast. Dam thing just slows after about 75 persistent connections with Appserv Generated Dynamic content. I have even started running Weblogic on the report servers(which used to transfer the reports back to the main portal servers) to reduce the amount of load on the primary Webservers. Machine can handle tons more load.... but I just don't have the memory to devote to more instances.

Each Tuxedo instances requires 300MB (6 running), Jolt requires about another 300MB total, each instance of Weblogic with 150 Threads (10 times what BEA says will be MORE than enough for anything you can cook up) takes 175MB. This machine only has 4GB of memory. Which leaves 150MB for the system to be running in.. GEEZ.

Be careful...I would rather use Websphere, when compared to BEA's stuff. Course I am not an IBM biggot. All ya'all should know that by now. Just that, when I see what works and what doesn't really do what is advertised, makes a big difference for me.

I just have a dim view on Java Based stuff... I like Java... but seriously folks... native binaries for some stuff in some places is just what needs to be done. I've seen loads on the Websphere doing the exact same stuff we got BEA's stuff doing... 2 Appserv instances, 1 Webserver instance. Faster, lower load... less memory requirements higher cache amounts (where able), systems just run easier... less processes too.

I had to raise the BEA machine to allow 4096 Processes per user, with 16384 total concurrent processes on the system. The Websphere machine, defaults worked (256 and 4096).

I am not saying BEA's products are bad, just Websphere is that much better, for AT LEAST what we are doing.

If yah, need more info... ping at "edu.grcc@gfolkert"

Edited wording.... to be more appropriate.

greg, curley95@attbi.com -- REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!
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Expand Edited by gfolkertold March 24, 2002, 10:58:04 PM EST
New Nope.
Not for your own good.

Run from WebLogic. Run hard. It sucks and blows. It's not worth $30, with all the good free stuff out there.

If you're just doing servlets, jsp, etc. check out Caucho's Resin, or Orion (orionserver.com), which I believe is free for noncommercial use (or maybe nonprofit too). Orion beats the pants off of WebLogic and WebSphere.

WebLogic is horrible, slow, buggy shite.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Hmmm...
Maybe I should go ahead and get it (just to get .NET locked out of the picture), then move to something else for app serving after the code is written...

*evil laugh*

Thanks for the comments.
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A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly by the chain of their own ideas;...despair and time eat away the bonds of iron and steel, but they are powerless against the habitual union of ideas, they can only tighten it still more; and on the soft fibres of the brain is founded the unshakable base of the soundest of Empires."

Jacques Servan, 1767
New Hoist the Pirate Flag!
Avast there matey, tell them about the security issues with .NET verses other frameworks. Get EJB and JSP pages ready to go instead.

If for some reason they get .NET ASP pages, hire me as a contractor to work to convert from ASP tp JSP, I'll be more than happy to learn.

I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
     If you believe in prayer, pray hard. - (tseliot) - (5)
         Re: If you believe in prayer, pray hard. - (Steve Lowe)
         RUN AWAY..... RUN AWAY FAST!!!!! - (folkert)
         Nope. - (admin)
         Hmmm... - (tseliot) - (1)
             Hoist the Pirate Flag! - (orion)

Somewhat classier digs than the last version.
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