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Post #322,708
by drook
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3/11/10 2:48:54 PM
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New "GM believed"?
I'd have to transcribe the whole movie to make the point. Go get Who Killed the Electric Car to see how hard GM had to work to keep those cars away from people. The only thing they "didn't believe in" was its profit margin compared to Yukons and Suburbans.
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Drew
Post #322,710
by SpiceWare
3/11/10 3:17:45 PM
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New businesses make that decision all the time
Sure I wish Apple hadn't killed off the Newton, and Honda the S2000, but I understand when a company kills off something that's not profitable.
Post #322,711
by drook
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3/11/10 3:57:58 PM
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New You're not hearing what I'm saying
They didn't kill it because it was unprofitable. They actively worked to sabotage it. They were trying to prove to CARB that a zero-emission vehicle wasn't feasible, but they forgot to tell the engineers and the sales staff that.

They hired all new salespeople with no experience. They made commercials that sounded more like a warning than a sales pitch. They made prospective owners -- excuse me, lessors since they flat refused to actually sell one at any price -- made them fill out a form acknowledging all the "shortcomings", then followed up with calls from corporate to ask, "Are you really, really sure you want one of these?" They bought the rights to technology that would double the range and refused to use it.

They killed it because they were afraid it might actually be profitable, which would undercut their legal position with the state of California. And I'm seeing the same level of commitment to the Volt that they showed to the EV1.
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Drew
Post #322,713
by SpiceWare
3/11/10 4:27:34 PM
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New guess we'll see in 7 months
     fuel injection to get 64 mpg - (boxley) - (28) - March 9, 2010, 07:35:26 PM EST
         Updated Pogue technology... - (Another Scott) - (24) - March 9, 2010, 08:05:56 PM EST
             Re: Updated Pogue technology... - (boxley) - (23) - March 9, 2010, 08:33:20 PM EST
                 It's even more difficult than in Pogue's day. - (Another Scott) - (22) - March 9, 2010, 08:47:04 PM EST
                     Re: It's even more difficult than in Pogue's day. - (boxley) - (21) - March 9, 2010, 09:02:19 PM EST
                         That's a diesel. Different beast. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (20) - March 9, 2010, 09:08:13 PM EST
                             internal combustion engine :-) -NT - (boxley) - (19) - March 9, 2010, 09:08:59 PM EST
                                 I very carefully said "gasoline engine". - (Another Scott) - (17) - March 9, 2010, 09:30:36 PM EST
                                     True dat. - (static) - (16) - March 11, 2010, 04:54:02 AM EST
                                         How is that last one a "trick" - (drook) - (15) - March 11, 2010, 10:19:21 AM EST
                                             I'm pretty sure that's what the Volt is doing - (SpiceWare) - (11) - March 11, 2010, 10:36:55 AM EST
                                                 Nit: What the Volt *would be* doing if they ever shipped it -NT - (drook) - (10) - March 11, 2010, 10:38:06 AM EST
                                                     Have I missed something? - (SpiceWare) - (9) - March 11, 2010, 10:57:04 AM EST
                                                         Latest word is late 2010 - (drook) - (8) - March 11, 2010, 11:14:02 AM EST
                                                             the chevy link has "2011 Volt, November 2010 release" - (SpiceWare) - (7) - March 11, 2010, 11:34:27 AM EST
                                                                 Bogus numbers - (drook) - (6) - March 11, 2010, 12:15:08 PM EST
                                                                     not that many willing customers - (SpiceWare) - (4) - March 11, 2010, 02:30:12 PM EST
                                                                         "GM believed"? - (drook) - (3) - March 11, 2010, 02:48:54 PM EST
                                                                             businesses make that decision all the time - (SpiceWare) - (2) - March 11, 2010, 03:17:45 PM EST
                                                                                 You're not hearing what I'm saying - (drook) - (1) - March 11, 2010, 03:57:58 PM EST
                                                                                     guess we'll see in 7 months -NT - (SpiceWare) - March 11, 2010, 04:27:34 PM EST
                                                                     Well.. that's.. Beep'nBox's rilly-Freeish Market Inaction - (Ashton) - March 11, 2010, 05:15:50 PM EST
                                             That's exactly the point. - (static) - (2) - March 11, 2010, 08:33:36 PM EST
                                                 I remember posting on ezboard - (boxley) - March 12, 2010, 08:32:09 AM EST
                                                 It is remarkable... - (folkert) - March 12, 2010, 08:39:37 AM EST
                                 Thermodynamics is Hard - (Ashton) - March 10, 2010, 07:14:11 AM EST
         More at TTAC. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 18, 2010, 08:45:59 PM EDT
             best comment for me - (boxley) - (1) - March 18, 2010, 09:09:54 PM EDT
                 I like these. - (Another Scott) - March 18, 2010, 11:18:55 PM EDT

You hijacked the conversation. You get to land it.
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