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New The analogy is bad.
The Earth's climate is a complicated black box. We know much of the science. We know much of the physics; we don't know all the various pieces and how they interact with enough precision. But we're getting better.

Economics models are an attempt to explain large-scale human behavior in an economy. It's not physics - it's herd mentality. Fundamentally, economics attempts to apply mathematics to one of the social sciences. It's much less deterministic than a physical system.

Even though the climate models are still young, they're actually very good. And getting better all the time. What economic model from even 5 years ago would have predicted the Great Recession? What economic model can predict the state of the world economy in 30 years with any confidence? I'd have much more confidence in the prediction of the state of the climate from present models.

You can even play with some of them on your own PC or Mac (courtesy of your nemesis James Hansen's group ;-) - http://edgcm.columbia.edu/software2/

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New What makes economics very different from physical sciences
Elements in the system (people) are aware of the "rules" of the system and consciously alter their behavior in response to what they believe the rules to be.
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Drew
New welcome to quantum physics
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New That's not how quantum physics works.
There are strong, well-understood rules and equations that will give you the answer to a quantum mechanics problem. The answer includes a probability.

http://en.wikipedia....B6dinger_equation

As Drew said, Economics tries to apply mathematics to Calvinball. The players are always changing the rules.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: That's not how quantum physics works.
yes it is, the answer depends on the observation. Is the cat dead or not?
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New Economics is not falsifiable
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Drew
New What? ever hear of ponzi?
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New It's both.
Observation collapses the wave function. It doesn't change the physics.

More: http://en.wikipedia....%B6dinger%27s_cat

Cheers,
Scott.
New climatology isnt herd mentality? bwahahahaha
as for your link? you have to use their model no peaking at the source code. Microsoft for climate prediction anyone?
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New So run it against history.
Treat it as a black box. Does it do a reasonable job with the historical data or not?

http://www.grida.no/...c_tar/wg1/308.htm

If you really want it, the source is public domain - http://edgcm.columbi...port2/faq/#faq003

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New thanx, downloaded will review
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
     Economic theory is based on faulty mathematics. - (Another Scott) - (27)
         Economics is not sufficiently reality based . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
             Personally, I think that it depends on the economist's - (jake123) - (2)
                 too bad it only applies to economists not climatologists :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                     That's why I pay attention when they say that - (jake123)
         That got complex *very* quickly. - (static)
         Appears to be - (beepster) - (21)
             I thought that might get a rise out of you. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (15)
                 hmm, Mises by the backdoor -NT - (boxley)
                 I know who he is... - (beepster) - (13)
                     I read it a little differently. - (Another Scott) - (12)
                         like I always said about climate models - (boxley) - (11)
                             The analogy is bad. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                 What makes economics very different from physical sciences - (drook) - (6)
                                     welcome to quantum physics -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                         That's not how quantum physics works. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                             Re: That's not how quantum physics works. - (boxley) - (3)
                                                 Economics is not falsifiable -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                                     What? ever hear of ponzi? -NT - (boxley)
                                                 It's both. - (Another Scott)
                                 climatology isnt herd mentality? bwahahahaha - (boxley) - (2)
                                     So run it against history. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         thanx, downloaded will review -NT - (boxley)
             I don't think so - (drook)
             Re: Appears to be - (What-are-Dice?) - (3)
                 Welcome - (crazy)
                 Introduce yourself, please! - (folkert)
                 welcome to the non herd -NT - (boxley)

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