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New What was the record of the first non-breeder reactor?
The first iteration of any new technology has problems. Assuming, as the article claimed, that the two technologies were both considered viable options, the considerations seem to have been:

Thorium -- Comparatively cheap, more controllable (assuming significant materials science development solves corrosion issues), comparatively minor waste containment issues

Uranium -- Much more expensive, difficult to control the reaction, major waste containment issues, produces weapons-grade output

With today's world-view, everything about Uranium reads as a negative. But during the height of the cold war, when we subjected our children to duck-and-cover drills, weponization was seen as a good thing ... as long as it was us doing it and not them.

If all the money spent on current nuclear technology had instead been spent on thorium, you don't think we'd have improved the efficiency compared to the French example?
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Drew
New Good points. Dunno.
It's hard to predict technological breakthroughs. ;-)

I count ~15 thorium-fueled reactors here - http://en.wikipedia....m-fueled_reactors - the largest being 330MW-electric. In my looking around, it seems that 500-1000MW-electric plants fired by coal are common, so that even a 330 MWe plant was a small one.

(Note that some of those plants were designed to produce plutonium, and they use different reactor designs. Their main commonality is the use of thorium. Only the MSRE at Oak Ridge seemed to use the technology that's the subject of the Wired article.)

Thorium technology has been tried many times, in many countries.

Given that people have worked on thorium fission reactors since at least the 1960s, and only a few small ones are in operation now, it doesn't seem like an approach that will quickly yield major dividends. By all means, continue to do research. We should have our eggs in as many baskets as possible. But don't ask me to support billions or tens of billions for another US nuclear demonstration power plant before you can show me that the problems in the earlier plants have been solved - e.g. see http://en.wikipedia....enerating_Station - over the long term.

Ultimately the technology has to be affordable over its life-cycle.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Current nuclear tech isn't "affordable over its lifecycle"
First, all prior spending is already amortized. Second, much of the research money came from DoD (or was it still Department of War?). Third, we still haven't spent enough money to figure out what to do with all the waste.
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Drew
New Yeah.
But these experimental reactors are even more expensive. E.g. the Superthingy in France cost over $9B Euros.

I wasn't counting the waste processing issues in my thought experiment - I was thinking more about the life of the plant itself.

The economics of nuclear is a complicated topic that depends on a whole mess of assumptions - http://en.wikipedia....her_power_sources But when many/most of these experimental reactors are shut down after only a few years, and often produce little if any electric power due to engineering issues, then I think a reasonable person can conclude that they're too experimental right now (or in the near future).

You may be right that they would be farther along if the AEC and NRC and so forth spent more money on development. We'll never know. But since we know a lot more about the problems with nuclear power now than we did in the 1950s and 1960s, since the federal government isn't dumping vast amounts of money into nuclear R&D any more, and since the public is not sold on the need and benefit/risk equation for nuclear, it's a tougher row to hoe now than it was then.

It would be different if we could say, "Look, we spent $100B on nuclear power research in the 1950s-1970s, we learned all the issues and have this great, safe, cheap, reliable power technology that just needs some tweaking before it's ready to go. We're 95% of the way there!" But it doesn't work that way. We learned a lot about stuff that doesn't work. There are still complex issues that need to be solved and it's going to cost a lot of money to get to the point where we have reliable power reactors based on a new fuel technology.

Cheers,
Scott.
     thorium reactor anybody? - (boxley) - (16)
         Atomic Airplanes! - (Another Scott) - (15)
             The article covered that pretty well - (drook) - (14)
                 I don't think it's that simple. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                     'The Day We Almost Lost Detroit' - (Ashton) - (12)
                         A good book, but a little over the top, IIRC. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                             well since the french havr been using breeder reactors for - (boxley)
                             Are the current ones better? - (drook) - (7)
                                 Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                     they have been built, not would have been built - (boxley) - (5)
                                         France hasn't built one since the 1980s. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                             What was the record of the first non-breeder reactor? - (drook) - (3)
                                                 Good points. Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                     Current nuclear tech isn't "affordable over its lifecycle" - (drook) - (1)
                                                         Yeah. - (Another Scott)
                             Re: A good book, but a little over the top, IIRC. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 Good points. - (Another Scott)

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