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Post #29,957
by Brandioch
2/27/02 10:34:36 AM
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New To quote Professor Jones.
"Archaeology is the search for FACTS, not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Prof. Tyree's Philosophy course is right down the hall ... "

You would be amazed at the number of people who do not understand the difference between "facts" and "truth".

I believe this all started with him claiming that we are able to approach "truth" through observation.
I will note the fact that you're using a "t" in that "truth" instead of a "T".

To illustrate this, tell me the "Truth" about people.
Post #29,964
by drewk
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2/27/02 10:56:10 AM
2/27/02 10:57:53 AM
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New Too easy
"Archaeology is the search for FACTS, not truth."

Tell that to a creationist looking at Carbon 14 dating results.

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Which, yes, proves your point about "fact" depending on your preconceptions. But remember, I already acknowledged that the best (I think) we can hope for is a ever-closer approximation of the truth.
I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make.
I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
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Post #29,973
by Brandioch
2/27/02 11:29:02 AM
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New Which brings us back to "The Truth" (please note the "T"'s)
Tell that to a creationist looking at Carbon 14 dating results.
I also believe that "Creationist" is spelled with a "C". Now, is there any Creationist that doesn't already know "The Truth"?

So, the Creationist will accept or reject "facts" based upon how they fit with his/her preconceived notion of "The Truth".

For example, any "facts" that cast doubt on C14 dating will be accepted.

Any "facts" that validate C14 dating will be rejected. (or, at best, invalidated because of the "facts" mentioned in the previous line.)

But remember, I already acknowledged that the best (I think) we can hope for is a ever-closer approximation of the truth.
Hmmmm, I think the problem is that you don't understand that there is a difference between "truth" and "The Truth".

"truth" == "facts" for sufficiently small facts and small truths.
I have blond hair. That is a fact. That is the truth.

Now, again, to illustrate this point, tell me "The Truth" about people. This is the SECOND time I've asked you to do this.
     Truth, facts, and sour grapes. - (marlowe) - (64) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:04:55 PM EST
         And that's your "Truth"? - (Brandioch) - (28) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:08:32 PM EST
             For those who need to think in concrete terms. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:29:04 PM EST
             Planet of the Whiners. - (marlowe) - (2) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:42:35 PM EST
                 Reply to my other post, then. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:13:02 PM EST
                 Whiners and the truth - (nking) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:20:57 PM EST
             To illustrate it with math. - (Brandioch) - (23) - Feb. 22, 2002, 06:17:43 PM EST
                 It's not a coin toss for all of us. - (marlowe) - (22) - Feb. 23, 2002, 08:38:40 AM EST
                     Before you go... If I may... - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:32:44 AM EST
                         Don't forget the initial assumptions. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:36:03 PM EST
                         If that's really his point... - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:54:06 PM EST
                             Reality just doesn't exist for you, does it? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:47:55 PM EST
                     No random chance here - (nking) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:31:35 PM EST
                     You still don't want to see the facts. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:40:16 PM EST
                         Some people have to lie to get to the truth - (nking) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 06:20:05 PM EST
                             One more time... - (mhuber) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 05:31:05 PM EST
                                 That wasn't the big one - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:38:29 PM EST
                                     I see that as a condemnation of - (mhuber) - Feb. 26, 2002, 06:30:54 PM EST
                     Once.. such hubris might have been entertaining - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 23, 2002, 06:00:19 PM EST
                         How hubristic of you to presume you know better than I. - (marlowe) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:46:44 PM EST
                             Marlowe defeated the Nazis? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:54:05 PM EST
                             Ah.. there's the root/rub: John Dewey Pragmatism lives! - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:00:28 PM EST
                                 I'm still waiting for him to explain Clinton. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:10:47 PM EST
                                     Attila got even More done.. - (Ashton) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:25:39 PM EST
                                     Only on planet Brandioch. - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:00:13 AM EST
                                         Thus proving my point. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:54:04 AM EST
                     Another illustration - The Placebo Effect. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:38:53 PM EST
                         Re: "The Truth" according to the Rev. Ashcroft. - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 24, 2002, 01:09:51 PM EST
                         Oops - blong under Alex, re Ashcroft - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 05:21:40 PM EST
                             Yes, one can always hope for s sense of humor. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 24, 2002, 05:45:52 PM EST
         A relevant fact you should note - (ben_tilly) - (29) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:35:52 PM EST
             Re: A relevant fact you should note - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:47:23 PM EST
             Duly noted. - (marlowe) - (27) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:55:17 PM EST
                 Mrs. Scarlett, in the library, with the candlestick. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 05:29:09 PM EST
                 Since this is the Religion, Philosophy and Meta - (screamer) - (25) - Feb. 25, 2002, 01:41:21 PM EST
                     Real life is the reference point. - (marlowe) - (24) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:28:03 PM EST
                         Real life? Who's real life? - (screamer) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:21:33 PM EST
                             The sun'll come up tomorrow... - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:48:43 AM EST
                                 When I think of a day that grey and lonely... - (screamer) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:59:03 AM EST
                         Oh, and by the way, did you even read my post? - (screamer) - (20) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:42:00 PM EST
                             You realize you're agreeing with him? - (drewk) - (19) - Feb. 27, 2002, 09:06:21 AM EST
                                 To quote Professor Jones. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:34:36 AM EST
                                     Too easy - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:57:53 AM EST
                                         Which brings us back to "The Truth" (please note the "T"'s) - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 11:29:02 AM EST
                                 I'm affraid I can't give you that point entirely... - (screamer) - (12) - Feb. 27, 2002, 11:52:25 AM EST
                                     Certainty != Truth - (drewk) - (11) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:26:46 PM EST
                                         Shame on me... Semantics 101 - (screamer) - (10) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:13:29 PM EST
                                             What I meant - (drewk) - (9) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:30:33 PM EST
                                                 It's good to see you finally joining me. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:39:04 PM EST
                                                     Gee, tough question - (drewk) - (5) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:06:51 PM EST
                                                         Ah, another "proof" of my point. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:24:57 PM EST
                                                             Your point is rather dull - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:50:34 PM EST
                                                                 Re-read your posts. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 04:23:50 PM EST
                                                                     No need - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 04:52:13 PM EST
                                                                         Yes you do need to. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 05:22:43 PM EST
                                                 Fair. - (screamer) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 02:05:42 PM EST
                                                     What we clever animals are up to - (Ashton) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:19:12 PM EST
                                 Recall the full quote. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:49:15 PM EST
                                     I don't see the problem - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:59:23 PM EST
                                         So why can't you answer my question? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:08:11 PM EST
         Having read for comprehension, with all previous judgments - (Ashton) - Feb. 22, 2002, 07:04:24 PM EST
         a couple of thoughts - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:08:24 AM EST
             Well, that's what you get for not doing a reality check. - (marlowe) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:36:19 PM EST
         But you can't. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 08:17:09 AM EST
             You even quoted it - (drewk) - Feb. 27, 2002, 09:10:14 AM EST

True, there's a part of the horse's anatomy involved, but it's not the mouth...
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