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New One word:
Flash.

Get a Mac if Flash is a requirement. Flash is a PITA sometimes on Linux. And if you're opening stuff people are sending you, it will most often Just Work on a Mac, not so on Linux. Yes, you might be able to get it to work by performing extensive configuration on Linux, but it's a lot of work.

Caveat: I'm basing this on Ubuntu's Feisty; I haven't done much with Gutsy yet. Although with Gutsy I'm hitting a nasty "corrupt the libs" bug everytime I use apt-get. Not good.

Edit: why Gutsy isn't ready yet (for me): [link|https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133786|https://bugs.launchp...buntu/+bug/133786]

I have one remaining Linux machine at home, and three Macs. The Linux machine will more than likely be replaced with a MacPro soon so I can do video editing easily.

I love my MacBook Pro, although I've had a few issues with the hard drive failing. Dunno if it's bad luck, putting it away quickly before it's actually sleeping, or heat problems.

The only reason IMO to use Linux on a desktop any longer is if you're doing heavy software development, and even that is changing: I have a full Python/Postgres dev environment on my Mac. The Mac is also the best for cross-platform testing, since it can run Linux and Windows in a Parallels instance, while it's difficult to run OS X in VMWare.

I've had no problems on the road with the MacBook Pro, and it's been able to connect to every wireless network I've tried.

As far as sysadminning goes, I've discovered that I do *much* less with the Macs than when I had Linux for them to use. That said, there's still some to be done. Also, the Mac personal productivity apps are wonderful, particularly if you're doing video editing.

On cost: make sure you compare similar setups. When I was looking for a desktop-like laptop, the MacBook Pro was price-comparable to equivalent machines (bluetooth, built-in camera, etc) from other vendors. I don't know how it is for a MacBook.

My experiences only, YMMV, etc.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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Expand Edited by admin Nov. 11, 2007, 11:54:07 PM EST
New Interesting issue with Flash on Mac
My boss has a monster highend 8 core many GB (you got the point) Mac.

And Flash SUCKS!

We were about to cancel a flashed based project due to his poor experience. The flash app would take forever to load and execute.

And then, he tried it in Parallels/IE. And it was FAST!

New I've never had a problem with it.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I don't know that you would
It is very difficult to peg a speed issue as a problem, since it does produce the desired results. And to some people, a 10 second delay is perfectly reasonable for this type of interaction. Just not us.

Have you setup any multi-tabbed, multi-paned interfaces that slide up and down when selected?
New Just my experience as a user
Flash is much smoother and more performant on my Macs than on my Linux machines. Dunno about Windows, because I don't run it. I haven't had any Flash apps that were ridiculously slow, and in fact running something like a 3D Shockwave app was just fine too.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New More than one word.
Flash.

Get a Mac if Flash is a requirement. Flash is a PITA sometimes on Linux. And if you're opening stuff people are sending you, it will most often Just Work on a Mac, not so on Linux. Yes, you might be able to get it to work by performing extensive configuration on Linux, but it's a lot of work.
I have my Lenovo C2D T61, 4GB of memory, running x86_64/AMD64 Debian.

Firefox is 64bit, Flash (32bit) is running perfectly on it. And now that Alsa stuff is sorted out, it runs fine.
I've had no problems on the road with the MacBook Pro, and it's been able to connect to every wireless network I've tried.
I am refuting the insinuation that Linux has problems with WiFi. 2.6.22 and Network Manager, udev, hal... etc. All works. Haven't had a lick of any problems.

Yeah, I know, NOW it works, but hey what to say now.

As far as sysadminning goes, I've discovered that I do *much* less with the Macs than when I had Linux for them to use. That said, there's still some to be done. Also, the Mac personal productivity apps are wonderful, particularly if you're doing video editing.
Things are fine with update-manager. I've seen very little problems on Ubuntu stuff. And Since I am playing with laptop drives on my Lenovo, Gutsy seems to just work. Including Accelerations, HDAPS (motion sensing for hard-drive parking etc, allowing to thwap you MacBook and change desktops), connectivity just works. This machine was purchased in August.

Everything works fine, 2.2GHz, 4GB of memory, lots of stuff... the only two things it doesn't have, the camera and the DRM stuff.
On cost: make sure you compare similar setups. When I was looking for a desktop-like laptop, the MacBook Pro was price-comparable to equivalent machines (bluetooth, built-in camera, etc) from other vendors. I don't know how it is for a MacBook.
Well, comparable MacBook Pro and T61 ... T61 $1K less, less the camera and the DRM stuff.
My experiences only, YMMV, etc.
Same here.
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New And you're a professional sysadmin.
No offense, Greg, but you tend to overlook problems with Linux because to you it's no big deal to dig in and fix it. :-)

Flash... what about Shockwave? You can't run it on Linux unless you want to mess around with WINE. Ditto Authorware. Linux has made great strides, but it's still not all the way there. And again, if you're doing video editing, nothing approaches a Mac. There's also nothing resembling the WAV and MIDI applications on Linux either. You can run some stuff in VMWare, but the performance suffers drastically for that class of application -- I know, because I used to do it.

Looking at T61s on NewEgg... I don't see any with 17" screens, like my MBP -- so I don't consider them to be similar machines. Comparing similar models (newegg's prices) I see that the T61 is a few hundred dollars more than the equivalent MacBook, with a slightly larger screen. I don't think the difference in cost is nearly what people seem to think it is.

I am refuting the insinuation that Linux has problems with WiFi
What insinuation? Another Scott thought Macs might have problems in that area. I haven't had any. Where was Linux mentioned?

Like I said, Linux is great for developers and sysadmins. If you just want a family machine, my experience says Mac is better.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I wasn't thinking WiFi in particular.
I thought "speak to basically everything out there" was more about connecting to systems and exchanging information. It reminded me of my brief adventures with Vista trying to connect to my Win2k machines. Of course that was Winders to Winders so that doesn't really apply... :-/

So, I don't think Linux has any particular problems with WiFi (war drivers use it, after all). But exchanging information with other systems might be an issue (for relative newbies like me, anyway).

I hope that clears up what I was trying to insinuate from my position of limited knowledge. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Bought mine straight from
Lenovo, custom built.

15.4", no 17" available.

1680x1050 resolution at 15.4". Good enough for me.

And yes, I guess I do marginalize those kinds of problems.

And, yeah, I just wanted to make sure people are understanding that WiFi has made HUGE progress on Linux. And Yeah, I did read into your statement.

Used NewEgg Memory vs Lenovo, saved $700 ADDITIONALLY.

YMMV... as always.

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New Mac memory is the same way.
I bought an extra stick from NewEgg as well, and if (when?) I get a MacPro, I'll do the same thing with the memory and the hard drives.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
     Advice requested: Apple or Linux? - (Arkadiy) - (16)
         I'd try Linux first if you want to save money. - (Another Scott)
         Last few Ubuntu's are pretty solid. - (static)
         I had a similar dilemma a couple of month ago. - (a6l6e6x)
         One word: - (admin) - (9)
             Interesting issue with Flash on Mac - (crazy) - (3)
                 I've never had a problem with it. -NT - (admin) - (2)
                     I don't know that you would - (crazy) - (1)
                         Just my experience as a user - (admin)
             More than one word. - (folkert) - (4)
                 And you're a professional sysadmin. - (admin) - (3)
                     I wasn't thinking WiFi in particular. - (Another Scott)
                     Bought mine straight from - (folkert) - (1)
                         Mac memory is the same way. - (admin)
         Windows? - (andread) - (1)
             Also possible to get an XP system from Dell if you use... - (a6l6e6x)
         Posting this from a brand-new MacBook (new thread) - (Arkadiy)

How can he be so skinny and live SO phat?!?
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