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Post #29,371 by boxley 2/22/02 11:29:45 AM Reply	cop out You say the truth is what you say, I agree with you sometimes disagree others, that is my truth there is no THE truth unless your heavily medicated which you have indicated you dont hold with. thanx, bill "I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
Post #29,373 by marlowe 2/22/02 11:41:58 AM Reply	Cop out yerself. That's not your truth. That's your opinion. Against my opinion. But at least I make an effort to calibrate my opinion against reality. And that's how Truth gets into it. What part of "Truth is that which is the case" don't you understand? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #29,379 by boxley 2/22/02 12:22:42 PM Reply	facts/cases arnt truth Anti Israeli/Pro Israeli both have facts/cases/truth and merit neither is the truth what part of objective dont you understand? thanx, bill "I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
Post #29,401 by marlowe 2/22/02 1:46:02 PM Reply	Well, facts sure as hell ain't falsehood. If you don't start with facts, you're not going anywhere I'd want to go. And judging from the results, the Israelis are far more in touch with reality than the Arabs. Truth is that which is the case, but the test of what is the case is what works. What the Israelis do works. They survive and prosper against overwhelming odds. What the Palestinians do just brings them more grief. (And don't go claiming that Israel only survives because we meddling Americans prop it up. First off, the US has unwisely supported Arafat as well. Secondly, we propped up the Shah of Iran, and it didn't save his ass. We're not as good at propping regimes up as to make it a guarantor of survival. And if even if we were that good, it would mean that what America does works. Actually it does work, just not quite that well.) If you have anything remotely resembling a point here, it's that both Arabs and Israelis are guilty of the fallacy of exclusion. (Certainly the Arabs are, at any rate.) But that's not a problem with facts. It's a problem with leaving facts out, and also with violating rules of inference. And if partial truth is bad, is even less truth going to be an improvement? How does that work? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes.
Post #29,414 by Brandioch 2/22/02 2:27:55 PM Reply	This just keeps getting better. :) So, the "Truth" is the "Truth". But the "Truth" on Monday might not be the "Truth" on Friday. (from your other post). .....but the test of what is the case is what works. So, what works in one situation is the "Truth", but in another situation, there could be a different "Truth"? In other words, whatever is successful is "Truth" to you. So, when Clinton beat Bush and then was elected for a second term, Clinton had the "Truth"?

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