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New Could you elaborate, please.
I haven't kept up with the Money Supply numbers recently; AFAIK, the Fed doesn't much either any more (they try to look at the economy as a whole rather than particular money supply numbers). The M1 and M2 [link|http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/hist/h6hist1.txt|seem to have grown in the last 5+ years] (e.g. M2 up 30%), and M2 is up [link|http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/Current/|6%] in the last year. M3 is probably more important in these derivative issues, but IIRC, it's harder to measure.

How is dropping interest rates going to "reign in" derivatives trading?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New It won't, thats my point
The fed dropping rates encourages folks to create more devices to increase return on money...like I said...its an enabler. The implosion of the mortgage industry is a great example of this. They extended themselves out of the safe zone...and in looking for better returns seriously pumped up the amount of high risk borrowing..and one quick turn in home buying erased not only the return...but a chunk of the base principle.

These hundreds of millions in losses, in turn, has blown up several multi-billion dollar derivative funds that were cents on the dollar leveraged against these loans. This is a huge magnification of what was essentially a controllable catastrophe.

Mortgage comapanies lost the revenue of the interest payments, but in many cases did not lose a huge amount against their base principle in anything but liquidity. They regained the asset borrowed against, the property. They have carrying costs, and often sell at below market to liquidate the assets, but that is their management choice to free cash to go back into their primary business of loaning it out.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Ah, I misread you. Thanks. I'll check the links.
New Better description
[link|http://www.merkfund.com/merk-perspective/insights/2007-02-06.html|http://www.merkfund....s/2007-02-06.html]

Not necessarily agreeing with his conclusion...but the basic description of the issue is very good.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New lets separate credit expansion from printing more money
credit expansion allows more goods to be bought with the same amount of money
I have $100
pack of cigs is $5
Beep loans me $50 dollars which the vig is 10%
Beep bundles my loan with skip doc and alex and convinces nother scott to by the loan for $50.00 down
the loans are worth $165 face value plus vig
they can only buy 33 packs of cigs
If skip me and doc all refuse to pay and turn in 30 packs of cigs, face value borrowed beep and nother scott will be out nothing. However of they borrowed the money to buy the notes, they are out their cigs and vig

that is credit expansion

Money supply expansion is beep sells cigs for $5

I keep printing $5 dollar bill

Beep notices and starts charging $10 for cigs. Finite goods with an expanding money supply is inflationary.
Credit expansions are not. Neither are good for the economy

thanx,
bill
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New Thats M1 and 2
both are ok and the credit expansion is controlled by the policies of the banking system.

What is happening now is that a huge expansion is now outside of the control of the governments...this being credit derivatives.

They are bad because there is really no system of control over them.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Yeah, that's good. Until he starts selling his Gold fund...
     Woot! Average Weekly Earnings up in the US last month! - (Another Scott) - (8)
         The problem is not with M1 or 2 - (bepatient) - (7)
             Could you elaborate, please. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                 It won't, thats my point - (bepatient) - (1)
                     Ah, I misread you. Thanks. I'll check the links. -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Better description - (bepatient) - (3)
                     lets separate credit expansion from printing more money - (boxley) - (1)
                         Thats M1 and 2 - (bepatient)
                     Yeah, that's good. Until he starts selling his Gold fund... -NT - (Another Scott)

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