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New On medical bankruptcies.
[link|http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/warrenreports/2007/jul/26/no_medical_bankruptcies_a_fact_free_analysis|TPM Cafe] has a few interesting comments on recent testimony before Congress and a rebuttal OpEd in the Washington Times. I thought one of the responses to Warren's article was quite articulate:

There was no discussion of whether a different health care system could solve Ms Smith's family's problem and how much it would cost - for example, in a state run program, would her husband have been treated at the distant Mayo Clinic, as he was in real life? No assessment of how much it would cost to give everyone in the US equal treatment and how it would be funded and then to decide if anyone is going to propose such a plan and if not whether we should put on testimony about a problem that is not going to be solved. There is also the very hard question to pose, but policymakers should pose it, to be honest with us as opposed to being liked by us: Ms Smith's testimony culminates at the point where she has to move in with a child because they are broke. The hard question is, at what point do we as a society say an individual / family can shift their costs to everyone else or conversely, what contribution does each individual/family have to make to those costs? If exhaustion of personal means is not required, what is the point we'll select, what are the principles to decide that and what is the cost of that decision?


Of course, this type of top-down analysis and thinking should be applied to just about every problem that is attacked by our government. It's a little naive to think that it would come up in detail in a short Congressional hearing, but it certainly should be part of the debate. Unfortunately, developing a consensus on grand strategies can take decades, so we end up with incremental approaches to most problems. While I agree with many of Mt57's points in principle - especially that the questions need to be asked and answered, [link|http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire|the perfect is the enemy of the good].

I'm reminded of a bit of a speech I heard by Mitt Romney yesterday evening on C-SPAN. It apparently was in [link|http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_208230447.html|Ottumwa, Iowa]. He talked about how people without insurance were getting "free" care at hospital emergency rooms and how this "free" care was really costing everyone else a lot of money (though increased overhead for those with insurance, etc.). If Romney had ever been poor and experienced having little or no health insurance, (not likely, coming from a famous [link|http://www.amxfiles.com/amc/romney.html|political and industrial family] and [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/04/us/politics/04bain.html?ex=1185768000&en=a550f3b73fa16580&ei=5070|having a little money of his own]), he would know that he's telling whitewashed falsehoods. While it is true that hospital emergency rooms generally have to treat everyone they see whether they have insurance or not, they also have collections departments and collection agencies that will hound people for months and years to be paid. The idea that care is free if you can't afford to pay is ludicrous. Romney's (and many Bush Republicans's) mantra that private insurance will take care of all the problems is dangerously [link|http://www.townonline.com/hudson/homepage/x117549322|naive]. But as What's the Matter with Kansas? points out, the politics of the backlash isn't about addressing problems, it's about getting voters riled up.

Cheers,
Scott.
New you dont need health insurance reform, you need unions
was told in my 30's I had high cholesteral and needed expensive meds to live, I bought term life insurance instead.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

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New I didn't know that!
I thought that US emergency treatment was free for those who couldn't pay. It turns out that free means being chased by debt collection agencies. Not only does the healthcare system fail to catch people who are falling, it kicks them when they're down.

I'm in awe! I don't think I could imagine such institutionalized cruelty in a modern democracy without riots. Yet people accept this. In the US, of all places. I think this is the key to understanding US culture. When you understand why the US healthcare system exists, you understand US culture.
Matthew Greet


Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
New thats why you empty your pockets and dont use yer own name
when you show up to the emergency room. Hounded by bill collectors is cruel? Ive been hounded by the best, tell em to fuck off, Im gonna eat before I pay bills. If you really want to fuck with them, send them $5 every 30 days, all they can do is wail.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

reach me at [link|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
New One word: Garnishment.
[link|http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/advice/t-14467.html|Help! They garnished my checking account!] And paying [link|http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/small-claims/medical-garnishment-33451.html|$10/month didn't help.]. Often people have little choice in how much they pay toward their medical bills.

Showing up without ID might work in an emergency situation like being bitten by a spider, ;-), but it won't do any good for treatment of chronic conditions - the situations where most of the expense lies.

Cheers,
Scott.
New you cant get garnished without a judgement
you cant get a judgement if someone is paying $5 a month towards the bill.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

reach me at [link|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
New Not so. See 2nd link above.
New Its obvious they got a default judgement against her
she didnt go to court to defend. You cant garnish without a judgement. You cant get a judgement if you are paying the bill.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

reach me at [link|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
New Congressional hearings aren't about finding good solutions
they're about grandstanding.

--Tony
     On medical bankruptcies. - (Another Scott) - (8)
         you dont need health insurance reform, you need unions - (boxley)
         I didn't know that! - (warmachine) - (5)
             thats why you empty your pockets and dont use yer own name - (boxley) - (4)
                 One word: Garnishment. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     you cant get garnished without a judgement - (boxley) - (2)
                         Not so. See 2nd link above. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             Its obvious they got a default judgement against her - (boxley)
         Congressional hearings aren't about finding good solutions - (tonytib)

Maybe you should try to go over those dark green things.
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