Post #267,664
9/15/06 2:22:20 PM
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Maybe
but his other points are valid. Ignoring other aspects of security and claiming that the one simple gaff on his part invalidates his response is, essentially, the same as agreeing with Lewis A Mettler Esq. and his point of view regarding secretaries and source code.
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Post #267,672
9/15/06 3:05:35 PM
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If he doesn't know what a network is
and how his product uses one I have a hard time taking the rest of his statements about that product at face value. This is not like LAM.E because LAME.S' ignorance of open source and how it works invalidates what he says about the secretary.
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Post #267,676
9/15/06 4:03:59 PM
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Probably deception rather than ignorance
Not being on a network is so wrong that someone would have caught his statement and corrected it before it was released. This it is lying PR of the low kind is a more likely and plausible explanation. It is only necessary to outspend the truth to fool enough people.
Which still means the rest of the statement is suspect.
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Post #267,684
9/15/06 5:01:09 PM
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Don't ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by
incompetence....
In short, I doubt the spokesdude knows his serial ports from his cereal ports....
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Post #267,733
9/16/06 5:37:28 AM
9/16/06 5:50:53 AM
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Lying in PR isn't much of a conspiracy
There is little attempt to conceal the damning truth as the real damning truth is that there is no audit. This kind of lie can slip with little incident as the people who'd notice are already being ignored by the politicians. The PR is just to drown out a bad report before enough uncontested, bad reports achieve a critical mass.
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Edited by warmachine
Sept. 16, 2006, 05:50:53 AM EDT
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Post #267,678
9/15/06 4:14:57 PM
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Addressing security
his points about physical security were extremely valid. And if Princeton ignored or violated any of those, their results must be invalidated. Thats the point. Regardless of the machine being on the internet. If they had to crack the box (physically) to break security, their results are invalid.
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Post #267,729
9/16/06 1:58:42 AM
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I don't give a damn what he says unless it has
an auditable paper tape and the voter can view what gets printed on the tape when he pulls the lever.
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Post #267,753
9/16/06 3:53:13 PM
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Thats fine with me.
Problem is, I don't make the rules.
Democrats are, however, part of this process in equal numbers...so if these machines are going to be used in a vast right wing conspiricy to steal elections...then both parties can share equally in the blame.
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Post #267,789
9/16/06 10:06:34 PM
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Explain that statement please
>Democrats are, however, part of this process in equal numbers.
I don't follow. I would note that the election commissioners in both rigged states in the last 2 stolen elections were openly and unabashedly republican.
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Post #267,792
9/16/06 10:47:37 PM
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Of course
its not possible that it was a loss, fair and square.
And there aren't any democrats anywhere in the process of overseeing elections...or that could contest decisions being made.
Much easier to whine about it later.
Quite simply, as with the thread regarding terrorists, the point is simple. We are not capable of keeping secrets of that magnitude.
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Post #267,807
9/17/06 5:52:42 AM
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So then, like the Holocaust
- all those roadblocks in Dade, the bogus 'ex-cons-lists' were just the fanciful musings of disgruntled vast-left-wing-Conspirators. Too.
Let me guess here: this is something like your idea of 'keeping an open mind' (??)
If so, there's always the danger that a mind may be so open that there's no keeping anything in or out of it - I've heard.
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Post #267,864
9/17/06 10:08:01 PM
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Cute
And the voting of 100+% of registered in Dem strongholds used to carry states like PA and reports of disenfrachised Republocrats in metro areas equally didn't happen.
No...what is being held here is a lack of tinfoil hattery.
And if the other side could pick someone worth voting for...we would have to worry about "irregularities" in one state. Because if you look hard enough, with as screwed up as our election process is, you will find vast EITHER wing conspiricies.
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Post #267,839
9/17/06 1:36:55 PM
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curiouser and curiouser....
I recall arguments regarding the 2000 election (and 2004...and now 2006)...particularly references back to the Chicago elections of yesteryear.
And I can't help but wonder...."And there aren't any republicans anywhere in the process of overseeing elections...or that could contest decisions being made."?
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Post #267,848
9/17/06 3:07:17 PM
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Argument goes both ways...but the real issue
is "is it a conspiricy to steal elections".
To which I continue to respond...we're not good enough at keeping secrets.
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Post #267,857
9/17/06 6:03:52 PM
9/17/06 10:20:06 PM
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Based on reports
no - I don't buy that Dems lost Ohio fair and square. I don't believe they lost Florida fair and square either. There are WAY too many irregularities in there.
I am quite amazed at how well the entire party goose-steps in perfect time to the daily talking points memos. The level of coordination is really quite remarkable. So, based on that, I don't find the idea unlikely that a common goal of subverting elections was disseminated and individuals worked at it each in their own way.
I think the behavior chronicled [link|http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0501/050105_news_recount.php|here] more or less backs up my opinion. The reps worked like a team. They had strategies and daily group prayer in their own war room/lounge at the recount. Does this sound like people who just want to count ballots, or rig the election?
Based on this and similar anecdotes - I do not consider them to be fair minded folks who respect the will of the people. "Culture of corruption" fits.
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Post #267,914
9/18/06 10:16:02 AM
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I think they've discovered YGBM tech... (Humor, Vinge)
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