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New Navy petty officer held on espionage charges
[link|http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=108896&ran=82404|PilotOnline]
After refusing to release full details on a pending espionage case involving a petty officer held in the Norfolk brig, the Navy on Tuesday provided some specifics about the charges.

The Navy's charges depict Petty Officer 3rd Class Ariel J. Weinmann as a sailor who stole a Navy laptop computer, deserted his ship for more than eight months and traveled the globe, both attempting to give and actually delivering classified defense information to an undisclosed foreign government.

According to the charges, those events occurred in Vienna, Austria, around Oct. 19, 2005, and around March 19, near Mexico City, Mexico.

Weinmann was picked up at the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport days after the incident in Mexico, according to the charges. Brown said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service was involved in the case.

It is not known to whom Weinmann is believed to have given classified information; Brown said he could not comment on further specifics.

Interesting that this case has not gotten more press, this is the first I have heard of it. Given that the government is underplaying this case, and that they are going out of their way to hide which country he is accused of giving information to, I can only assume that it is a country we are friendly with. If he had given information to Venezuelaor North Korea or some such this case would be trumpeted from on high.

Have to wonder about the whole case though. Absconding with classified information and selling it, and then trying to come back to the US? That is a very dim course of action.

Jay
New If charges are proven, execution makes sense to me.
Just like does for [link|http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/spies/pollard/1.html|Pollard].
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New Execution is ONLY
Allowed in a Full on Declared War status. The United States is NOT is a WAR status.

The UCMJ is very clear on that.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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New Whadya mean?
We got a War on Terror.

A War on Drugs.

A War on Poverty.

Apparently, there's a War on Christianity, or so I'm told.

A war on this, a war on that, a war on the other...


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New I'm waiting for full recursion...
A war on War....
jb4
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New Already got it: War on Terror
Since terrorism is just a specific method of warfare, we've already got a war on war.
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New Nah...It's more like a War on Police Action
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
New You mean "The War on the War on the War"
Which would be the fight going on down in Crawford. :-)
Smile,
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New I was thinking ouside UCMJ. Like the Rosenbergs.
Alex

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New Ah. Sorry my bad.
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New Of course you thought he spied for Israel ...
based on his name. Now that it turns out he spied for Russia I bet you change your tune about the death penalty.
New <shrug> traitors are traitors.
New You need to listen to some Kinks.
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New And you would be wrong! :)
To the US, Israel is a voracious parasite, but Russia a potential adversary.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New I guess that is why Pollard got a life sentence
and people who spied for the Soviet Union don't.

Michael Walker, convicted of spying for the Soviet Union, was released after 15 years of a 25 year sentence.
Richard Miller, convicted of spying for the Soviet Union, was released after 6 years of a 20-year sentence.
Clayton Lonetree convicted of spying for the Soviet Union was released after 9 years of a 25-year sentence
New Comparisons don't make much sense
In the first two cases you list below there are big problems with your comparison. I don't know enough about the third case to have an opinon on that one. Michael Walker was only a minor player in the spy ring and got a reduced setence for turning evidence against his father (who was the leader and got multiple life sentences).

Second, from what I have read the whole Richard Miller case was messed up, and the government had difficulty showing that he was actually guilty of espionage. He had classified documents at his apartment and was having an affair with a woman who was a foreign spy, both grounds for dismissal but neither a major crime on their own.

As for Pollard, I'm sorta split on his case. Superficially it looks like he got a bit of a raw deal, but it has also never been made public exactly what information he passed to Israel except that there was apparently a lot. He also greatly hurt his case by working a plea deal with the government and then violating the deal before the trial was even over.

From what I have read, the Israeli government has not helped his case either. Their repeated public support of Pollard with a "Yes he was a spy but he was good one" line doesn't help him here. And they have apparently often use his cases as a negotiating ploy, with no real interest in getting him released.

Jay
New CIA traitor Aldrich Hazen Ames is serving life.
FBI traitor Robert Hanssen is serving life.

Case closed.

Execute these bastards!
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New its not like they are foreign born agents, those you trade
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New Re: its not like they are ...
..while a marvel of concision (kudos - despite the lazily omitted .) it is also a pukka example of the perfect spot for that near-full-stop replacement for the comma, the - -





;





..since the last phrase is a complete sentence with subject + predicate.

Engrish punctuation - use it or loooseittokiddie-speak

New Navy sailor suspected of spying for Russia
From [link|http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/09/sailor.charge/index.html|CNN]
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     Navy petty officer held on espionage charges - (JayMehaffey) - (19)
         If charges are proven, execution makes sense to me. - (a6l6e6x) - (17)
             Execution is ONLY - (folkert) - (7)
                 Whadya mean? - (imric) - (4)
                     I'm waiting for full recursion... - (jb4) - (3)
                         Already got it: War on Terror - (drewk) - (1)
                             Nah...It's more like a War on Police Action -NT - (jb4)
                         You mean "The War on the War on the War" - (imqwerky)
                 I was thinking ouside UCMJ. Like the Rosenbergs. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     Ah. Sorry my bad. -NT - (folkert)
             Of course you thought he spied for Israel ... - (bluke) - (8)
                 <shrug> traitors are traitors. -NT - (Simon_Jester)
                 You need to listen to some Kinks. -NT - (jake123)
                 And you would be wrong! :) - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                     I guess that is why Pollard got a life sentence - (bluke) - (4)
                         Comparisons don't make much sense - (JayMehaffey)
                         CIA traitor Aldrich Hazen Ames is serving life. - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                             its not like they are foreign born agents, those you trade -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                 Re: its not like they are ... - (Ashton)
         Navy sailor suspected of spying for Russia - (jbrabeck)

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