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New Emerald ash borer attacks!
I just had a tree company out to quote the removal of a couple of decrepit locust trees we have in our yard (which needs to be done before we get the new sprinklers installed, which needs to be done before we get the sod installed, which came about from the septic system replacement...).

It turns out that the "mountain ash" (supposedly immune to the EAB) we had in the back is actually a different kind of ash that is NOT immune, and the giant dead branches are a giveaway that it's infected with the EAB (as are, upon closer inspection, the little green beetles swarming it).

So instead of just removing two crummy weed trees, we also have to remove the best shade tree in the yard. We're going from 5 trees to 2, both of which are some kind of weed elm.

So the question is, what is a decent, fast-growing, non-crap-dropping replacement tree?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New SUKC
I've got an elm and a pin oak in my back yard. The elm drops the little helicopter things, but not much in the way of causing allergies. The pin oak drops leaves, and not much else. So many squirrels and chipmunks in the area, the acorns never get big enough to fall off.

Both are great shade trees. Dunno how fast they grow, as both are over 20 years old, and if they've gotten bigger since I moved in 7 years gone, I haven't paid enough attention to notice.
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New And I thought the cicadas we just got were bad
Freaked my wife out with [link|http://cicadamania.com/faq.html#a2|this little tidbit]:
Question: Do cicadas pee, and if so, why? (5/2002)
Short Answer: Because, like humans, they have to.
Answer: Courtesy of Les Daniels, author of the Great Lakes Cicada site:
"I've experienced this several times where I was on the receiving end of this artificial rain. When many cicadas congregate on warm days, they feed on the tree fluids and often urinate 'piss' while doing so. This bug urine is called 'honey dew.' The little buggers have pelted me several times while I was observing a little 'too' close. It isn't uncommon.
Lastly, the 'honey dew' does not stain, or stink. In fact, it feels like rain drops."
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New Don't get a silver maple.
I don't know if they grow well up there, but they should be avoided. They grow fast and provide a lot of shade, but they're weak and drop branches easily.

I'd probably also get some sort of oak - they're strong, beautiful trees. But if you've got tykes with allergies about, try to get one with a pollen that isn't too bad. Oak pollen can be pretty nasty in the spring. I don't know if there is such a thing, though.... [link|http://www.immunocapinvitrosight.com/templates/Allergens.asp?id=2303|Linky on oak pollen]. It says that Q. ilex (Holm Oak) puts out lots of pollen but that there's a report that it doesn't cause allergic reactions. Of course, it [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holm_oak|won't grow in cold climates]... :-/

Good luck.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I just planted a sweetgum
They've got the little spiky balls, but no allergens described for it. Supposed to be tall and fast-growing.
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New The neighbors have a couple.
They're pretty and provide good shade, but I curse them every time I have to rake leaves in the fall. Those spikey seed balls like to burrow in the turf or clog up the rake or ...

:-)

We had some [link|http://www.naturehills.com/new/product/productdetails.aspx?proname=Black+Gum|black gum] trees in our back yard when we bought the place. They had very pretty leaves in the fall. But the previous owner(s) were nuts about shade and there were (literally) about 15 of them growing in a 10x10 area. We spent weeks raking leaves in the fall... They were all weak due to not getting enough sun, etc., so we had them cut down a couple of years after we moved in. I don't know what a single, lone, tree would be like.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I've had no issues with my maples
Have a sugar and a red. The red isn't gonna get very big. Sugar in the front is growing substantially. No problems with branches falling...and I clear the underside to keep it "people sized" so I'm not whacking my head on branches walking underneath.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Those are nice ones. :-) Silvers aren't.
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_maple|Wikipedia]:

The Silver Maple has brittle wood, and is commonly damaged in storms. The roots are shallow and fibrous and easily invade septic fields and old drain pipes. It is a vigorous resprouter, and if not pruned, it will often grow with multiple trunks. It is, nonetheless, widely used as an ornamental tree because of its rapid growth and ease of propagation and transplanting.

[...]

The Freeman Maple is a popular ornamental tree in parks and large gardens, combining the fast growth of Silver Maple with the less brittle wood and less invasive roots of Red Maple.


Silver maples are almost a weed around here. :-/

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Those are nice ones. :-) Silvers aren't.
We had a Maple in our back yard when I was growing up. I was told it was a Silver Maple, but it seemd to be pretty sturdy. It dropped the little helicopter things, which was fun to watch. Great shade and climbing tree.
New fast growing weed? try Birch , Aspens or poplar
you are far enough North I think.
thanx,
bill
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New Well, most of my shade here is provided by . . .
. . Blue Gums - the tree from Hell. They grow like a rocket to 40, 50 feet tall. A couple times a year they drop leaves by the cubic yard, toxic leaves (tannin and oils) that stunt the growth of other plants.

They'll stand up to 80 mph winds without losing a twig, then a month later drop drop a 400 pound branch just because they feel like it (not really dangerous 'cause they come down slow cushioned by a zillion small springy branches and the thick end stays attached until the rest is down).

They were brought to California from Australia to quickly grow railroad ties for the transcontinental railroad - but Eucalyptus grows in a spiral and twists as it dries - they soon realized those ties would rip up the tracks in short order.

Someone once told me of a friend of his who built his cabin in the woods out of Blue Gum lumber, then watched helplessly as it twisted itself to splinters.

Oh yeah, almost forgot - fire. Old dried up leaves don't burn real well, but freshly fallen - stand back! Green on the tree - rocket fuel! In cold weather I stuff a grocery bag of fresh raked blue gum leaves in the fireplace. When I get up in the morning I toss in a match - instant warmth!

Rows and rows of blue gums were planted in California as fast growing and durable windbreaks on the farms.

When I moved in here it was rare to see a blue gum leaf that anything had touched - but now the pests have finally made it from Australia and it's now rare to see one not munched along the edges.

The long horned bark beetles finally got here too. Cut a eucalyptus and pile up the logs, soon you'll hear loud munching sounds from under the bark - these are big beetles and they have big grubs. A former employee was afraid to go near the wood pile for all the noise.

NEVER buy a blue gum from a nursury, you grow them from seed. Nursery plants have balled roots and the roots don't escape the ball. They'll grow up about 40 feet and then fall over in a light wind crushing anything in their way. Seed grown trees are good for 120 mph plus at 100 feet and more.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Aug. 16, 2006, 02:59:01 AM EDT
New So Blue Gum == Eucalyptus?
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New Yes, a huge, fast growing, bark shedding . . .
. . leaf dropping, oily variety of eucalyptus that drops plenty of pointy seed capsules for you to step on if you go barefoot. White Gums, for instance are much better behaved. We probably have 100 varieties of eucalyptus in California, most smaller trees or even shrubs (eucalyptus are myrtles).

In several places a little north of here highways go between windbreaks of blue gums. Very attractive, but you can see that some of them have take high speed hits from vehicles - they have scratches on the bark. Hitting a 6 foot diameter hardwood at high speed will ruin you entire day but the tree'll just shrug it off.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Could be worse..they could be COTTONWOODS!
Gack! What a PITA of a tree. They have a habit much like Andy's Blue Gum; they're basically a weed with bark. Unlike most trees, they come in genders. The male spits sticky pollen pods in early spring, about the size of a kernel of corn (but narrower). They stick to everything, and if you run them over with an electric lawnmower (and if that's that kind of lawnmower you have, you cannot keep from running them over; they're everyfuckingwhere), they burst open, and the pollen shorts out the motor. Walk on them, and you'll track them everywhere (including Puerto Rico...). The females turn that pollen into seeds...and a cottonwood seed pod is about the size of a sweet pea, and when it dries, it splits open to dump out a bunch of wispy fibrous cottony things in which is buried the actual seed. And there are literraly bajillions of these fuzz balls per tree.

When they're not having sexual relations, both male and female spend their time dropping leaves basically all year long, and just for fun, will periodically divest themselves of various sized twigs, branches, and even whole limbs, for no apparent reason. (But a stiff breeze is plenty enough of an excuse!).

They're also a very wet tree, which means that they make a good lightning rod.

Finally, the damn things are fucking lazy, and won't send roots down very far; they like to spread out. Which means they like to burrow their roots just underneath such ammenities as driveways and sidewalks. (They don't seem to have an affinity for drainage pipes, but I don't know how they like septic fields; you can be sure I'm much happer not knowing....)

And they're butt-ugly trees to boot. But they grow very quickly. The one we took down in our front yard (a female) was 25 years old, and about 100 feet tall. They're reputed to be the most populous tree in Illinois. (And this surprises you how?)
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
New Well, little did I know . . .
When I moved in here one of the first things I did was install a fireplace - because my feeling is that a house without a fireplace is not a home.

I got this big cylindrical steel thing that was being remaindered by Sears because conical ones were "in". The triple wall stainless steel chimney cost me a whole of a lot more than the fireplace.

I lined it with rocks and concrete, and I built a platform for it and layered the top with reinforced concrete covered with ceramic tile. Fortunately the platform was movable because I later moved it from one wall to another.

Early on I was concerned about where I could get enough wood. Little did I know that this tiny suburban patch of land with 4 blue gums could produce more burnables than I really wanted to deal with.

Every morning I light a candle on the breakfast table and then a ritual fire in the fireplace (always with the same match). If I don't have corrigated boxes from Tech Data and another distributors or put in a Trader Joe's grocery bag full of eucalyptus debris.

I'm not buying so much hardware any more so I'm starting to gain, but this energy resource is still far from depleted - the debris is still almost a foot thick in some areas. I've got stacks of branches cut to 18" and more waiting to be cut.

And about once a year a giant red or lime green fire wagon pulls up out front and deploys a batalion of yellow clad and helmeted fire persons with axes who want to inspect my fireplace because some condo dwelling nincompoop smelled smoke.

Oh well, they need the exercise. Firepersons at the La Crescenta station are notorious for passing up promotions for fear they'll be transfered to some place where they'll actually have to go out and fight fires. It's like being in the Coast Guard and stationed at Newport Beach.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Aug. 17, 2006, 01:30:23 AM EDT
New What tree did you end up getting, if any?
New Good site for tree information at Virginia Tech.
[link|http://www.fw.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/factsheets.cfm|Dendrology at Virginia Tech]. It helped me to finally identify the [link|http://www.fw.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=75|Willow Oaks] that are fairly common around here. They're beautiful large trees when mature, but the leaves are a pain to rake because they're so narrow.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Maples here. 1 silver, 2 japanese, and many reds.
Actually too many red maples in the back yard.

One is about 15 feet from the house. One of these days I have to get it taken down. It's 60 feet tall and I'm sure there are roots up against the foundation.
New None yet.
Things run slowly in Admin's house fix-it timescale. ;-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Of course they do.
After all, you have cars to fix. Often.

/me ducks.
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
     Emerald ash borer attacks! - (admin) - (19)
         SUKC - (Yendor)
         And I thought the cicadas we just got were bad - (drewk)
         Don't get a silver maple. - (Another Scott) - (5)
             I just planted a sweetgum - (drewk) - (1)
                 The neighbors have a couple. - (Another Scott)
             I've had no issues with my maples - (bepatient) - (2)
                 Those are nice ones. :-) Silvers aren't. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Re: Those are nice ones. :-) Silvers aren't. - (dws)
         fast growing weed? try Birch , Aspens or poplar - (boxley)
         Well, most of my shade here is provided by . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
             So Blue Gum == Eucalyptus? -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                 Yes, a huge, fast growing, bark shedding . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                     Could be worse..they could be COTTONWOODS! - (jb4) - (1)
                         Well, little did I know . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         What tree did you end up getting, if any? -NT - (Another Scott) - (4)
             Good site for tree information at Virginia Tech. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Maples here. 1 silver, 2 japanese, and many reds. - (n3jja)
             None yet. - (admin) - (1)
                 Of course they do. - (Yendor)

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