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New Just got off the phone with Verizon
I wanted to find out when our current contract expires and what the penalty was for early termination.

The service rep told me that every call she had taken today was asking the same thing.
I asked her if she knew why. She said she didn't.
I explained the NSA thing. She had heard of that but asked me if I knew it was only lists of calls made, not eavesdropping. I said it didn't matter, it was still a violation of the SCA and Verizon et al could potentially be liable for $1000/violation.
She told me that the government made them do it.
I said it didn't matter, it's still illegal. I told her that Verizon essentially got punked by the Feds. Now we can't sue the Feds over this, but we can sure sue the telcos.

All in all, it was a surprisingly friendly conversation. She didn't take it personally and I stayed very polite.

So, T-Mobile is starting to look good. Anyone have recommendations for alternate providers?
Tom Sinclair

"This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here."
-- The Bursar is a man under a *lot* of stress
(Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
New By chance I just ordered Vonage a couple days ago
Because I'm sick of Qwest's crummy service.

Yes, I know its potentially less secure - or is it?

We'll soon see.



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New Quest is the one that did not turn over the call records.
And all internet traffic is monitored.

Got any more ideas?
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New ... and the NSA is really good at listening to stuff too.
[link|http://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm|Signals Intelligence].

The only thing that keeps them from using the same techniques in the USA are the law (and its sometimes selective interpretation)...

Cheers,
Scott.
New PGP VOIP?
Its early but from what I can see, streaming voice data isn't so easy to intercept and analyze.

I could be wrong. I do expect to be able to add encryption tunnels.

I ditched Qwest for several other reasons involving non-performance. Frankly, I suspect they didn't comply because they don't have the technical skills to.



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New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #255324 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255324|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New they do,cdr's are the most reliable piece of the technology
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
     Run. Get out while you can. etc. - (jb4) - (17)
         live free or die has been replaced by - (boxley) - (2)
             Careful! That post is now part of the NSA Database! -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                 Y'know, if things ever get so bad... - (inthane-chan)
         I'm too scared to laugh anymore -NT - (warmachine)
         I call bullshit. - (Silverlock) - (12)
             Seconded - (tjsinclair) - (8)
                 Here ya go. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                     Just got off the phone with Verizon - (tjsinclair) - (6)
                         By chance I just ordered Vonage a couple days ago - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                             Quest is the one that did not turn over the call records. - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                                 ... and the NSA is really good at listening to stuff too. - (Another Scott)
                                 PGP VOIP? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
                                     they do,cdr's are the most reliable piece of the technology -NT - (boxley)
             thinking of filing an FCC complaint if a few others followed - (boxley) - (2)
                 Sounds like a good idea to me -NT - (ben_tilly)
                 Get on board. - (a6l6e6x)

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