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New Define objective. Define beauty.
Somehow, I don't think such they can be reduced to sound-bites and retain any meaning.

[link|http://www.solstice.us/russell/science-ethics.html|Russell] had a few things to say about this:

Ethics, if the above analysis is correct, contains no statements, whether true or false, but consists of desires of a certain general kind, namely such as are concerned with the desires of mankind in general - and of gods, angels, and devils, if they exist. Science can discuss the causes of desires, and the means for realizing them, but it cannot contain any genuinely ethical sentences, because it is concerned with what is true or false.

The theory which I have been advocating is a form of the doctrine which is called the "subjectivity" of values. This doctrine consists in maintaining that that, if two men differ about values, there is not a disagreement as to any kind of truth, but a difference of taste. If one man says "oysters are good" and another says "I think they are bad," we recognize that there is nothing to argue about. The theory in question holds that all differences as to values are of this sort, although we do not naturally think them so when we are dealing with matters that seem to us more exalted than oysters. The chief ground for adopting this view is the complete impossibility of finding any arguments to prove that this or that has intrinsic value. If we all agreed, we might hold that we know values by intuition. We cannot prove, to a colour-blind man, that grass is green and not red. But there are various ways of proving to him that he lacks a power of discrimination which most men possess, whereas in the case of values there are no such ways, and disagreements are much more frequent than in the case of colours. Since no way can be even imagined for deciding a difference as to values, the conclusion is forced upon us that the difference is one of tastes, not one as to any objective truth.


YMMV.

Cheers,
Scott.
New You really need "objective" defined for you?
Oh, brother. If you can't handle [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=objective|objective], I guess it's too much to expect you'll ever grok beauty.

But hey, I'll give you an inch:

3
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.


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New Define "objective beauty".
And stop dodging the question.

Alternatively, you could make like an adult and admit that you said something stupid.


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New Objective beauty == oxymoron
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New I know that and you know that.
I want to know if the eejit will admit that.

I suspect that my request for a definition of his "objective beauty" will go unanswered.


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New you havnt answered why the people you date arnt objectively
appealing to hottentots.
thanx,
bill
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     A declaration of humanism - (marlowe) - (67)
         I don't hate humanity - (ben_tilly) - (1)
             Oh, you're soooo intolerant. - (marlowe)
         What I want to hear from you is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
             Your confusion of opinion with reality... - (marlowe)
         Im glad you support legalizing drugs and prostitution - (boxley)
         Fascist-humanist - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
             There's a little thing called logic. - (marlowe) - (3)
                 Then how - (JayMehaffey)
                 Rules in society aren't black and white. - (Another Scott)
                 You just heard of it? - (tuberculosis)
         Zero grasp of basic economic theory - (tuberculosis)
         Okay now I have more time to address your concerns - (boxley) - (52)
             It was nice of you to do that - (bepatient) - (51)
                 +5 Insightful - (jb4) - (1)
                     I'm gonna say it again - (jake123)
                 I don't know much about art... - (marlowe) - (48)
                     Define objective. Define beauty. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                         You really need "objective" defined for you? - (marlowe) - (4)
                             Define "objective beauty". - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 Objective beauty == oxymoron - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                                     I know that and you know that. - (pwhysall)
                             you havnt answered why the people you date arnt objectively - (boxley)
                     give me a break, look at the women(or men) you date - (boxley)
                     I like motorway intersections, integrated circuits and fonts - (pwhysall)
                     Don't know much about history... - (jb4)
                     I don't think so, pal. - (bepatient) - (1)
                         Who you callin' "sir"?!? - (jb4)
                     Or anything else it seems -NT - (tuberculosis)
                     I'm surprised at you - (GBert)
                     Why does a humanist care about the madonna? -NT - (warmachine) - (1)
                         why does anyone care about madonna? -NT - (boxley)
                     Re: I don't know much about art... - (pwhysall) - (32)
                         I, on the other hand, - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                             Objective beauty of art? That's too easy! - (GBert) - (6)
                                 And someone called *me* snarky -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                                     Well, they were right... - (jb4) - (2)
                                         How about "table-driven snarky"? OOP is a lie! -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                             Alright! Who stole Drew's ID and is holding it for ransom? -NT - (jb4)
                                 Objective beauty is soviet era art with american flags -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                     I believe Rand has a nice collection of that -NT - (drewk)
                         So, please, tell me. Is there such "thing" as beauty? - (Arkadiy) - (23)
                             Point = missed. - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                 Not really missed - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Yeah, you have. - (pwhysall)
                                 I have to apologise here - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                     You're still missing the point - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         those pictures are loverly - (boxley)
                                     The Pontiac Aztek has a face... - (jb4) - (1)
                                         Grargh. - (pwhysall)
                             Independent from the observer? No. - (bepatient) - (14)
                                 I guess I have to agree - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     And I with you - (bepatient)
                                 s /Van Gogh/Rembrandt perhaps? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Yeah...my bad. -NT - (bepatient)
                                 Not I - (jbrabeck) - (9)
                                     Its a huge painting - (bepatient) - (8)
                                         Yabbut - (imric) - (7)
                                             And we will burn that which fails the test! - (pwhysall)
                                             Um... - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                 ROFL... Come now, Beep! - (imric) - (4)
                                                     Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                                         Here's how: - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                             why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat? -NT - (boxley)
                                                             Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made. -NT - (Arkadiy)
         Me too! Give me a break too! - (rcareaga) - (2)
             For those of you who need a dictionary - (broomberg) - (1)
                 Calumny! -NT - (pwhysall)

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