Cane sugar vs corn syrup has to do with tariffs

Post #253,225 by tonytib 4/24/06 11:21:23 AM Reply	Cane sugar vs corn syrup has to do with tariffs and politically connected sugar growers; I've heard that US sugar prices are about 3x the world price. --Tony
Post #253,231 by lincoln 4/24/06 11:57:25 AM Reply	Which is why the Chicago metropolitan area, which used to be the "Candy Capital of the USA" (Hershey, PA notwithstanding), has lost over 5000 jobs in the confectionary business over the past 20 years. The companies can buy sugar for much less outside the US, so they moved their factories closer to the source of their #1 ingrediant. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #253,234 by drewk 4/24/06 12:14:28 PM Reply	They make candy with sugar? Gosh, I can't remember the last time I saw that listed on a candy bar wrapper. [image\|/forums/images/warning.png\|0\|This is sarcasm...] === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #253,237 by lincoln 4/24/06 12:28:38 PM Reply	Some background [link\|http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/000980.html\|source] Saturday, December 27, 2003 previous entry \| main \| next entry \| TrackBack (3) Protectionism never tasted so sour The Chicago Tribune had another story this week on the outsourcing of American manufacturing jobs. The cause? American protectionism: BRYAN, Ohio -- Here in what could be called the candy cane capital of the world, residents like to boast that food doesn't get more American than this old-fashioned, red-and-white striped confection. That's because more than 90 percent of those peppermint canes are consumed within the United States. And nearly all were made domestically as well. But no more. In the last three years, nearly half of all U.S. candy cane production has shifted to Mexico, industry experts say. That's true of the candy cane maker based in this northwest Ohio town, Spangler Candy Co., which recently opened a plant in Juarez that generates half of Spangler's striped treats. But the story of the Mexican candy cane isn't your typical tale of American manufacturers chasing lower wages. It's more about the cost of sugar than the cost of labor. Because federal tariffs and subsidies push the price of U.S. sugar far above what it fetches on the world market, candy cane makers such as Spangler are opening factories overseas, where sugar can cost 6 cents a pound compared to 21 cents back home.... Other makers of hard candy have followed a similar pattern, at least in part because hard candy, unlike chocolates which can use corn syrup substitutes, are so sugar-intensive. In Chicago, for example, Brach's Confections plans to shut its plant in 2004, forcing about 1,000 workers out of their jobs. The Chicago area, the center of the U.S. confection business, has lost an estimated 3,000 candy-related jobs since 1998. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #253,611 by lincoln 4/27/06 10:06:51 AM Reply	Some more background The Commerce Department released a study in February showing that the confectionary industry lost nearly three jobs between 1997 and 2002 for each sugar growing and harvesting job saved through high U.S. sugar prices. The report said chocolate, candy, breakfast cereal and other sugar users paid 23.5 cents for a pound of refined sugar in 2004, more than twice the world price of 10.9 cents. This placed U.S. companies "at a competitive disadvantage to foreign competitors" and lead many to move their operations to Canada or Mexico. [...] Prices for refined and raw sugar rose to multiyear highs earlier this year after hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexcio region hit crops and refineries in August and September of 2005. Analysts say sugar's price may go still higher, citing a low stockpile and high gasoline prices that prompted Brazil, the No. 1 sugar producer and exporter, to divert more of its cane crop to produce ethanol. "Prices have just skyrocketed this year, and in come cases it has even been difficult to secure the supplies," said Cal Dooley, president of the Food Products Association. Dooley called the U.S. sugar program "antiquated" and a growing concern for members such as Nestl\ufffd and Kraft Foods. Dooley said food makers view the U.S. sugar program as "very archaic" and believe it is "contributing to a lot of food manufacturers producing sugar-rich products moving their operations outside the United States so they can have greater access to international sugar supplies." The U.S. is the No. 2 net-sugar importer in the world, according to the American Sugar Alliance. USDA estimated imports in fiscal year 2007 could total 1.776 million short tons raw value. That's down significantly from a year ago when hurricanes cut output, but up 22,000 tons from 2004. [link\|http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/3822653.html\|Houston Chronicle story] lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #253,626 by boxley 4/27/06 11:58:39 AM Reply	buy the cane fields in florida and turn them back into swamp open all trade barriers with cuba and buy their sugar at world price.All the old whiny bastards are mostly dead by now. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #253,628 by tonytib 4/27/06 12:03:40 PM Reply	Dropping tariffs would also help developing countries that grow sugar.
Post #253,257 by tuberculosis 4/24/06 2:36:29 PM Reply	Then there's the Mexican Coke black market [link\|http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041109/news_1b9mexcoke.html\|http://www.signonsan...s_1b9mexcoke.html] At Las Tarascas Latino Supermarket, 30 miles from the soft drink giant's world headquarters in Atlanta, store manager Eric Carvallo adjusts prized bottles of Mexican Coke displayed at the front of the store. He then points over his shoulder to a noticeably smaller display of American Cokes tucked in the corner. Carvallo says his store goes through 10 to 15 cases of Mexican Coke a week \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd his entire stock \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd while he's barely able to push five cases of the domestic version. "Sometimes I have it left over," he said of the domestic Coke he orders. "Sometimes a case, case and a half. So it's a lot of difference." Taste is the main reason why his discriminating shoppers buy Mexican Coke \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd they say the cane sugar sweetener used in Mexican Coke has a sweeter, cleaner flavor than the high-fructose corn syrup in the American version. Many are willing to pay $1.10 per 12-ounce bottle for the imports, even with cans of American Coke sitting nearby for 49 cents each. "You drink it and taste it \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd it's something you tasted all your life," said Carvallo, referring to the many immigrants who prefer Mexican Coke. While the flavor of Mexican Coke provides a taste of nostalgia for immigrants hundreds of miles from home, its retro green-tinted contour glass bottles have also caught on among some baby boomers, who can recall a time when their cola was made with sugar \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd before rising costs drove U.S. bottlers to switch to corn syrup in the 1980s. With a niche market for Mexican Coke taking root in the United States, The Coca-Cola Co. and its bottlers are quietly looking to block its passage across the border. --------- Wow, just like the RIAA. The solution isn't to give the people what they want to buy at a price they're willing to pay, its to force them to pay for what they don't want. Nice customer focus there. Of course, the internet is global and you can always [link\|http://store.drsoda.com/mexicancoke.html\|mail order] it. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #253,290 by boxley 4/24/06 5:14:14 PM Reply	every bodega around here carries it. My preference also Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #253,941 by imqwerky 4/30/06 10:00:03 PM Reply	We bought a Mexican Coke at SuperTarget for $1.06 It was heavenly :)
Post #254,009 by lincoln 5/1/06 12:07:52 PM Reply	What size was the bottle? 16 oz? 1 liter? 2 liter? lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #254,033 by imqwerky 5/1/06 1:55:25 PM Reply	16 oz

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