Post #251,458
4/9/06 6:01:22 PM
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Not likely
With any other administration I would consider that idea tin foil hat stupidty, with this one I just consider it unlikely because they have not taken the key moves necissary to support such an action. While their unitary executive claims are downright scary, they need a lot more then a thin legal basis to actually take control of the country.
In particular, Bush and cabal have pissed off the upper and mid level of the military. Without support from the military, such a move would fail even if attempted. And if they have been trying to setup a brown shirt organization with Homeland Security, they have failed badly. It is so disorganized that it would be of limited use in trying to control the country.
Jay
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Post #251,467
4/9/06 7:14:39 PM
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Unlikely, yes, but . . .
. . the best insurance against this or similar but less drastic moves is to keep consideration of them clearly in the public eye. That military officers are voicing the likelihood of their resignation if tactical nukes are used against Iran is highly encouraging - and discouraging to illegal moves by the administration.
The Bush administration so completely bungles anything it touches they would have to be able to rely on established structures somewhat insulated from their direct command. If those structures, particularly the military, can not be relied upon, they're stuck.
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Post #251,478
4/9/06 10:04:13 PM
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What is the succession mech of the JCS?
...and what's to prevent the civilian leadership (presumably Rumsfeld) from burrowing through successive layers of principaled men until, Saturday Night Massacre style (Richardson-Ruckelshaus-Bork), a suitably pliant sets of careerists, the "perfumed princes of the Pentagon" so despised by the late David Hackworth, may be found to do the Boy King's bidding and—come to that—attempt to keep the uniformed forces on leash should the junta's usurpation of the Constitution be formalized?
Just wondering of a rainy (so what else is new here on the Wet Coast?) Sunday afternoon.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #251,479
4/9/06 10:19:51 PM
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Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986
[link|http://www.jcs.mil/goldwater_nichol_act1986.html|JCS]: 151. [...]
(b) Function as Military Advisers.
(1) The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the principal military adviser to the President, the National Security Council, and the Secretary of Defense.
(2) The other members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are military advisers to the President, the National Security Council, and the Secretary of Defense as specified in subsections (d) and (e).
[...]
152. Chairman: Appointment; Grade and Rank
(a) Appointment; Term of Office.
(1) There is a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, from the officers of the regular components of the armed forces. The Chairman serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of two years, beginning on October 1 of odd-numbered years. Subject to paragraph (3), an officer serving as Chairman may be reappointed in the same manner for two additional terms. However, in time of war there is no limit on the number of reappointments.
(2) In the event of the death, retirement, resignation, or reassignment of the officer serving as Chairman before the end of the term for which the officer was appointed, an officer appointed to fill the vacancy shall serve as Chairman only for the remainder of the original term, but may be reappointed as provided in paragraph (1).
(3) An officer may not serve as Chairman or Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff if the combined period of service of such officer in such positions exceeds six years. However, the President may extend to eight years the combined period of service an officer may serve in such positions if he determines such action is in the national interest. The limitations of this paragraph do not apply in time of war.
(b) Requirement for Appointment.
(1) The President may appoint an officer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff only if the officer has served as
(A) the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff;
(B) the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, or the Commandant of the Marine Corps; or
(C) the commander of a unified or specified combatant command.
(2) The President may waive paragraph (1) in the case of an officer if the President determines such action is necessary in the national interest.
(c) Grade and Rank. The Chairman, while so serving, holds the grade of general or, in the case of an officer of the Navy, admiral and outranks all other officers of the armed forces. However, he may not exercise military command over the Joint C hiefs of Staff or any of the armed forces.
[...] The JCS serve to advise the President. They don't command the Armed Services. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #251,482
4/9/06 11:28:09 PM
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Re: What is the succession mech of the JCS?
I'm sure Rumsfeld and Cheney could find somebody who would give the orders they want. However, it appears they would have to cut through several layers of command staff and would end up with some totally unknown career staff guy.
Faced with mass defection or removal of the senior staff, I expect the response of the majority of mid level officers would be to order their men back to the barracks until the situation is over.
A much more credible danger is that the neocon cabal around Bush will pick another puppet to replace him. There has been a lot of talk of Cheney stepping aside at some point to let the next annointed one get a head start on the next election. But Bush is so unpopular right now that would be more of a hindrance then a help. More over, as Iraq implodes the entire cabal is coming apart.
Jay
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Post #251,506
4/10/06 7:55:29 AM
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you mean like Tommy Franks?
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Post #251,480
4/9/06 10:35:18 PM
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If we can have an election during the Civil War, we can now.
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1864|Wikipedia]:
[image|http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/38/%7Eabe2.jpg/300px-%7Eabe2.jpg|0|Copperhead pamphlet of 1864|484|300][image|http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/%7Emccl2.jpg/300px-%7Emccl2.jpg|0|Union party poster for Pennsylvania 1864|393|300]
The election won't be postponed.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #251,499
4/10/06 7:08:30 AM
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Bird Flu. Terrorism. Leprechauns.
They've floated this boat before. Outrage was subdued.
But relax. It'll be for our own good.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #251,502
4/10/06 7:29:23 AM
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Well, if it comes to leprechauns, they may have a point...
Leprechauns are EVIL...
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Post #251,509
4/10/06 8:16:39 AM
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Yep, almost as bad as clowns
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Post #251,545
4/10/06 11:04:17 AM
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And puppets! Don't forget puppets!
I'm thinking specifically about two right now...
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #251,547
4/10/06 11:13:11 AM
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These?
[image|http://www.bumpinthenightproductions.com/newline2004/taffypuppet.jpg||||]
[image|http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/bunky1.jpg||||]
But actually I find this one more disturbing in its banality:
[image|http://www.letusteachkids.com/puppet/clown.JPG||||]
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Post #251,576
4/10/06 1:41:25 PM
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No...
I was thinking more like these:
[image|http://www.whywehatebush.com/images/bush_red.jpg||||]
and
[image|http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TszDq8_Yqlzr4M:pwp.netcabo.pt/pchenriques/oreivainufotos/condoleeza%2520rice.jpg||||]
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #251,552
4/10/06 11:48:09 AM
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blade can kick their ass
[link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000BO0KOQ/104-3293480-4755957|http://www.amazon.co...4-3293480-4755957]
thanx,
bill
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Post #251,554
4/10/06 11:57:43 AM
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You a closet Corey Feldman fan or something?
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Post #251,566
4/10/06 12:52:58 PM
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Do NOT remind me of him.
[link|http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0101797/|http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0101797/]
Yes, I'm very closely related to the other Walkup in that film... He's my brother.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #251,587
4/10/06 2:11:20 PM
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Nope own all the puppetmaster flicks
and will own that one now I know they made another one. My 14yo has been collecting those since he was 3yo has the action figures as well.
thanx,
bill
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