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Can anyone tell me what a cam sensor does on a car, and how important it might be?

I did look it up online but I got varying explanations. Is there more than one type of cam?

The car is a 1999 Chrysler Concord(e)?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Brenda

Edit: added make of car.



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By Geoffrey F. Abert
Expand Edited by Nightowl Feb. 14, 2006, 11:24:17 PM EST
New Some info.
On GM cars that I'm familiar with there's a "crank sensor" that tells the electronics the position of the crankshaft so that it knows when to fire the sparkplugs. Perhaps on Chryslers the same function is performed by a camshaft sensor - I dunno.

I would guess that it's something to do with that. Modern engines use sensors to know the position of the pistons in the engine. Older engines, like your 318/340/360, have a distributor that is gear-driven off the camshaft.

It's important because it controls how the plugs fire.

Some types of engines have multiple camshafts (one or two with each cylinder head). According to [link|http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/midsize-cars/chrysler/concorde/1999/index.html|this], the 2.7 liter engine has 2 overhead cams (4 total for the engine) while the 3.2 liter has a single overhead cam (2 total).

Hope this helps a bit.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Thanks Scott!
I'll give her the info and see if it helps. Mostly what I looked up talked about it relaying info to a computer in the car, but did 1999 Chryslers have computers? I guess I don't know that stuff. ;)

My cousin Katie just got this car, and she didn't know what the cam sensor did, I guess, and asked me to find out. :)

Brenda



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By Geoffrey F. Abert
New A very small computer, built into the engine.
Also known as "electronic engine control system", or something similar-sounding.

It controls the electronic fuel injection and the ignition -- basically, it runs the injection pump / injectors, and tells them, "*Now* it's time to inject *this* much fuel into *that* cylinder"; and the ignition coil / diodes-triodes-whatever-it-is-they-use-in-stead-of-breakers-these-days, telling them "*Now* it is time to spark the plug in *that* cylinder". (Lately, these control systems / computers also control many automatic transmissions, and it is probable that they will control ever more functions of the car -- power steering, ABS brakes, etc -- in the future.) Anyway, to know what to tell the engine to at any given moment, it has to know what the engine is doing at every instant; mainly, in what position the pistons / crankshaft / camshaft(s) are. They're all physically connected together, so once you know the position of one, you also know the position of the others; so it doesn't really matter *which* of these you have a sensor for.

*That*, I'm fairly sure, is the "computer in the car" that you saw mentioned. (If not, it damn well *should* have meant that. :-)

And yes, these things have became ever more common from, say, the mid-to-late eighties; nowadays, it's exceedingly rare to find a car *without* one. (A new car, that is -- your old one almost certainly doesn't have one! :-) So, yes, a 1999 Chrysler almost certainly has "a computer", in this sense.

HTH!


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New Re: A very small computer, built into the engine.
Also known as "electronic engine control system", or something similar-sounding.


It controls the electronic fuel injection and the ignition -- basically, it runs the injection pump / injectors, and tells them, "*Now* it's time to inject *this* much fuel into *that* cylinder"; and the ignition coil / diodes-triodes-whatever-it-is-they-use-in-stead-of-breakers-these-days, telling them "*Now* it is time to spark the plug in *that* cylinder". (Lately, these control systems / computers also control many automatic transmissions, and it is probable that they will control ever more functions of the car -- power steering, ABS brakes, etc -- in the future.) Anyway, to know what to tell the engine to at any given moment, it has to know what the engine is doing at every instant; mainly, in what position the pistons / crankshaft / camshaft(s) are. They're all physically connected together, so once you know the position of one, you also know the position of the others; so it doesn't really matter *which* of these you have a sensor for.


*That*, I'm fairly sure, is the "computer in the car" that you saw mentioned. (If not, it damn well *should* have meant that. :-)


And yes, these things have became ever more common from, say, the mid-to-late eighties; nowadays, it's exceedingly rare to find a car *without* one. (A new car, that is -- your old one almost certainly doesn't have one! :-) So, yes, a 1999 Chrysler almost certainly has "a computer", in this sense.


Ah, thanks Conrad, that explains it better. My car actually now has a fuel-injection system, (they modified it with the Holley Carburetor,), but I'm fairly they didn't add a computer, I don't think they could add that in.

Brenda






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By Geoffrey F. Abert
New Yes they can add them to old cars.
Many people are transplanting the NEW very efficient and powerful modern engines into the Olds cars. Give that Nostalgia feel, with modern day pep.

They are also putting modern Suspension pieces/parts into these old cars. Giving the old look and feel, with 3-4 year old Porsche handling.
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New Re: Car question
Just to add a little to the correct answers you've already received, all cars have computers from about 1981 on. Most vehicles use a combination of cam and crankshaft sensors. Taking a reading from the crankshaft alone doesn't give the computer all the information it needs in some cases, depending on the fuel and ignition systems in the car. Not only does the computer need to fire the spark plugs at the proper time, it also needs to actuate the fuel injectors at the proper time.
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New And just to add some more -
I'd think that the "crankshaft position sensor" alone - would handle all fuel-injection, spark timing matters. The cams / crank are, after all - pretty well chained or belted together. (This might be a wrong presumption re those CVCC and other engines with variable valve timing.)

Now on my '94 Acura - the only sensor near the cam (which is in the head) is a "knock sensor". Its signal (as all the others) is sent to the "engine computer" -- every maker has different acronyms for these boxes. Actually: there's a front one and a rear one.

Their purpose has nothing to do with camshaft position: it's a bloody microphone; it detects the bad-sound of detonation.. or 'pinging' == from too low-octane fuel. ('Too low' for conditions: depends on engine condition, outside temp and load, like say, uphill.)

Pinging means that, if prolonged - damage to piston crown will result; not long after that: total engine failure. So the computer retards the spark timing until it stops. This is a common way of allowing an engine designed for premium fuel - to manage on regular. You don't save $ buying the cheaper gas, because: you'll use more (!) But at least you won't do expensive damage to the engine guts.

You need to find out if the above -- is what your "cam sensor" is really doing. And if a new one is expensive: try the wreckers. Knock sensors don't usually 'wear out' - maybe a wire breaks in the small coil. And they usually are expensive. Because - what choice have you?


Luck,

moi


     Car question - (Nightowl) - (7)
         Some info. - (Another Scott) - (4)
             Thanks Scott! - (Nightowl) - (3)
                 A very small computer, built into the engine. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                     Re: A very small computer, built into the engine. - (Nightowl) - (1)
                         Yes they can add them to old cars. - (folkert)
         Re: Car question - (Steve Lowe)
         And just to add some more - - (Ashton)

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