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New I suspect that the real problem with both the games you
reviewed is that they came out after Morrowind.

Morrowind was the Doom of RPGs. It changed everything about its genre.
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New In what way?
New as was said below
the non-linearity of it. I can and have taken a couple of years game time before going back to the main quest, and there was lots to do.

In that way, it more resembles a well made pen and paper rpg than most crpgs do. The world's not really that big, but it was big enough that it was quite convincing.

The drawback to it is the lack of multiplayer. However, the critique about the engine is not so much of a problem if you used the tab key to use third person perspective most of the time, instead of the default first person perspective. I certainly found morrowind to be much better that way, unless using your bow to pick off cliff racers or to take some points off an opponent on their way to hack at you.
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New Re: I suspect that the real problem with both the games you
Not having played Morrowind (but played Daggerfall many, many years ago, which is a precursor to it), but understanding the basic engine/approach behind it, I feel compelled to mention that it has very little affect upon the overall RPG market, especially the "hard-core" RPG market (assuming we're all talking about CRPGs, and not paper/pen). In fact, I consider it more of a yawn. It certainly didn't have the effect that the original Baldur's Gate (and all the other ones that leveraged its engine) had.

I've not played Dark Alliance, but that's only because it's a console game, and I only do PC games (where both Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II were fantastic games).

Morrowind's main claim to fame is its size and non-linearity. However, its engine prevents it from being taken seriously by many hard-core RPGers (at least, those that I know).

I expect that Dark Alliance didn't turn out so well because it was the offshoot of a PC game that was being leveraged into consoles (which, regardless of which way you go, doesn't tend to work well, for various reasons).

Dan
My Blog: dshellman.blogspot.com
New Re: I suspect that the real problem with both the games you
I expect that Dark Alliance didn't turn out so well because it was the offshoot of a PC game that was being leveraged into consoles (which, regardless of which way you go, doesn't tend to work well, for various reasons).

Dark Alliance is only loosly related to Baldur's Gate at best. I believe the two games share some graphic engine code, but that is it. Dark Alliances game mechanics have almost nothing in common with D&D and are thus quite different then Baldur's Gate. The controls in Dark Alliance are pure console.

The first Dark Alliance was a good game. It was one of the better single character action RPG games.

Jay
     Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II - (JayMehaffey) - (5)
         I suspect that the real problem with both the games you - (jake123) - (4)
             In what way? -NT - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                 as was said below - (jake123)
             Re: I suspect that the real problem with both the games you - (dshellman) - (1)
                 Re: I suspect that the real problem with both the games you - (JayMehaffey)

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