The Shuttle mini-PC

Post #24,146 by admin 1/13/02 4:01:04 PM Reply	The Shuttle mini-PC [link\|http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/02q1/020111/index.html\|at Tom's Hardware] Looks nifty. Would work for my wife's kitchen computer. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,151 by Andrew Grygus 1/13/02 4:29:23 PM Reply	Shuttle I have built more than 60 computers based on Shuttle motherboards and found them quite satisfactory with a very low failure rate and no compatibility problems. This looks like a nice form factor for single purpose devices. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #24,159 by Ashton 1/13/02 5:50:25 PM Reply	Tickles my miniaturization fetish.. Love Tom's wise use of images and clear prose.. but it's s l o w at ~ 2.5K. Oh well. Didn't see prices for the bare-bones nor the finished version they equipped. Could you offer any examples of parts cost for completed version ~ to theirs? 30 GB enough, 256 or 512, some P-III even <1GHz (I grok the problem with the Celerons in current mod). Yeah I know there's Google - but since you built lots.. This would be fun to assemble. I think I'd want a fancy temp-monitoring fan or two with at least LED readout. Gets Hot here and any fan failure would likely cost you the whole ball-o-wax, about the time you smelled it.. Shux, wish I knew about this before the e-Machine bargain last year; don't need games-grade graphics either. Hate to patronize SoundBlaster creeps though - guess no room on board for.. even utilitarian sound? :( My guess is that it ain't cheap, but that more articles like this shall produce the volume necessary. Imagine this with a TFT 15-17" - iMac for the masses! 10# - the Otrona weighs 18. Would you recommend a liquid-cooled heatsink for cpu, with exchanger outside the case? (ever played with those?) Anyway - bein a hardware type, I think this would be great sport; maybe pass on my 600 MHz e-Machine after shakedown. I couldn't say I need it but.. I buy few new toys anyway. I like to wear stuff out just because. (My 15 yr. old Record-A-Call died last week; it earned its keep - new one about 1/5th the volume) Cheers, Ashton sucker for tiny stuff
Post #24,160 by admin 1/13/02 5:56:10 PM Reply	Dunno if you could use a TFT screen... ... unless it was capable of decoding analog output. The sound card takes up the only slot, and IIRC most flatscreens require you to use a card slot for a digital output. I could be completely wrong on this though, since I have no direct experience. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,191 by Andrew Grygus 1/13/02 8:32:21 PM Reply	Sound is on-board, no slot required, and . . . . there are flatscreens available that take analog input. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #24,192 by Andrew Grygus 1/13/02 8:33:35 PM Reply	I'll have to check with my distributor. I've never purchased any of these items. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #24,210 by nking 1/13/02 11:12:01 PM Reply	According to Newegg.com [link\|http://www.newegg.com/\|about $250, search on their website for SV24] for the bare bones unit. Add in your P3 or Celeron CPU, hard drive, floppy, CD-ROM, RAM, keyboard, mouse, etc. With: 17" SVGA monitor (Viewsonic) 20G 7200 RPM EIDE ATA-100 Hard Drive 1Ghz PIII CPU 512M PC133 DIMM SDRAM memory Keytronic Keyboard PS/2 Logictec PS/2 Mouse Sony Floppy Drive Toshiba DVD-ROM About $863 before taxes and shipping. Not too shabby. It might cost less with a 14" or 15" monitor, cost more with a 15" LCD monitor. I'd estimate between $700 to $1200 based on what you choose for the options. Price does not include a copy of Microsoft Windows. I figured you Linux and BSD fans would apreciate that. The only weak points that I see are that the built in video is not too good at 3D graphics, there is only one PCI slot, only two DIMM sockets, and you can only fit two drives inside the case. It has built in Ethernet, built in TV ports, built in Firewire and USB ports, built in PS/2 and Serial and Parallel ports, built in SVGA video port, built in audio ports. Almost everything you need is on the Flex-ATX motherboard. Since it is Flex-ATX, it can easily be upgraded later. Throw in an LCD screen, and it could be a competitor to the new iMac? "In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you."* - Norman King
Post #24,245 by Ashton 1/14/02 7:44:19 AM Reply	Thanks.. ponder__mull__cogitate time It's enough $ that I'd rather have a home arranged for present quite satisfactory setup (Thanks again, Norm! twas your tip on the e-Machine too). OTOH.. once you install 98-lite and see how much less annoying it makes 98 -- I note a tendency to want to do it again before I forget all the chicken-shit details: use it or lose it! 'Course this one would have to dual-boot {sigh} meaning more lore. Mull.. Ashton and it's flat on top - look at all the books I can stack on it!
Post #24,163 by Meerkat 1/13/02 6:08:22 PM Reply	Kitchen PC I'll be making do with a Mac SE in my kitchen. Should be (just) enough to show recipes. Hopefully :) That Shuttle machine looks way nifty, though. On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #24,196 by admin 1/13/02 9:27:37 PM Reply	I need something that fits in a narrow utility closet I wired the closet next to the kitchen desk with cat 5, phone, and power. :-) Unfortunately, the closet is only 6" wide, so not even the Shuttle will fit in there. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,197 by Another Scott 1/13/02 9:52:38 PM Reply	I assume you've considered 1U things. Expensive, yes, but if they could be mounted on end... E.g. a refurbished Compaq Proliant DL320R for $749 at [link\|http://www.compaqfactoryoutlet.com\|Compaq Factory Outlet] (Click on Servers on the left menu). No HD, No CD-ROM, dual NICs, etc. (I just got a Presario 7000US for $749 from them. Haven't hooked it up yet.) I don't know if it can be mounted vertically. I'd guess if the HD and CD don't mind the rest of the machine shouldn't either (if you have adequate cooling). Cheers, Scott.
Post #24,198 by Meerkat 1/13/02 10:10:46 PM Reply	Or a laptop, or a Mac LCIII :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #24,204 by admin 1/13/02 10:44:46 PM Reply	Yeek! It's a kitchen PC/terminal for my wife. Not a web server. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,207 by Another Scott 1/13/02 10:51:03 PM Reply	Hey, it's small. Sounded like U wanted something small. :-)
Post #24,214 by Andrew Grygus 1/13/02 11:21:23 PM Reply	Umm . . 19" wide x deep takes a lot of counter space. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #24,217 by nking 1/13/02 11:29:55 PM Reply	Hmmm, world's smallest PC I seem to recall that there was something on the world's smallest PC some time back, a web server was running on one. It was about as small as a pack of cigarettes or something. Directron has an [link\|http://www.directron.com/ezgo.html\|EZgo] system about the size of a CD Player. Who says that PC companies cannot innovate? ;) $748 with 1Ghz CPU, 20G HD, 256M RAM, Optional Components. But mix and match what you need. You will also need to get an external keyboard and mouse and a monitor. "In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
Post #24,219 by Another Scott 1/13/02 11:42:10 PM Reply	Stand it on its side. It'll fit in a 6" wide closet? :-)
Post #24,317 by kmself 1/14/02 2:35:17 PM Reply	Get naked, cubed, or ARM... There are a number of options. One is to get a naked unit and just fix it to the wall. Mobo, disk, etc. What are the dimensions of the G4 Cube? Aren't they pretty small? I think it's closer to 8" than 6" thought. A friend was reviewing a Mips-based (or was it ARM?) computer that fits into a 3" cube. The unit itself is 3" x 1", the rest is just filler. Storage is a flash drive, these now come in multi-GiB capacity. As an X terminal it might just work. Speaking o' wot, you might also look to the "all in the screen" type systems -- either an X terminal proper, or a full computer (usually PoS displays that I've seen). Small footprint. Flatscreen's also probably in the offing. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #24,321 by admin 1/14/02 3:04:06 PM Reply	Haven't decided if it's just a terminal or not yet She might need to run some Windoze stuff on it as well, which would preclude anything other than x86. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,328 by kmself 1/14/02 4:09:41 PM Reply	Lin4Win over VNC ...or similar. Should work. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #24,344 by admin 1/14/02 4:49:03 PM 1/14/02 4:51:28 PM Reply	If you have a server for that :-) Besides, does that do sound? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin Jan. 14, 2002, 04:51:28 PM EST Expand All History
Post #24,350 by kmself 1/14/02 5:22:02 PM Reply	Re: If you have a server for that :-) ...well, you've got a server, don't you? The idea comes from this [link\|http://www.wired.com/news/school/0,1383,45862,00.html\|Wired article]. Not sure about sound, I don't do Windows. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #24,371 by admin 1/14/02 7:33:24 PM Reply	Nope. Not suitable for hanging workstations from. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #24,335 by nking 1/14/02 4:22:50 PM Reply	If a terminal you could have a [link\|http://www.citrix.com\|Citrix] client on it and run the programs from a Windows 2000 Server with Terminal Server on it. That way the kitchen unit only has to have an OS that has a Citrix client for it, and an Ethernet port. Or you couild use a Linux Server with LIN4WIN or WINE or something else to run Windows apps, and then use X for your Server on the Linux server and connect the kitchen unit via a X client. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #24,653 by Another Scott 1/16/02 6:02:58 PM Reply	How about one of these things. OEone. [link\|http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1922249\|NewsForge Review of OEone Internet Computer]. It's sort-of a Linux Internet computer stuffed in a PC-clone of an original iMac. The story title is "Linux for people who think an iMac is hard to use." The review is by Robin Miller. (Link found via LinuxToday.) Would take up a bit of counter-space, but it's only $799, all-up. Cheers, Scott.
Post #24,667 by bepatient 1/16/02 9:20:21 PM Reply	What I'd really like... ...is a US release of [link\|http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/pc110.html\|an upgraded PC110] Another example of IBM being way ahead of their time. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #24,669 by nking 1/16/02 9:40:30 PM Reply	That would be great also didn't IBM have a wireless Brick PC that their techs used? I always wondered why they didn't market that and sell it to other corps? It would have come in handy for inventory takers and other on the stop data collection jobs. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."

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