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Post #23,405
by Ashton
1/7/02 4:49:43 PM
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New Err_____ makin them humans
Non- species-specific sluts, wouldn't ya say? (Whichever way was the incubator)

{sigh}
Post #23,407
by ben_tilly
1/7/02 4:51:31 PM
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New By that token, so were Aragorn and Arwen
Cross racial dating was rare in Tolkein, but celebrated in the right place.

Cheers,
Ben
Post #23,445
by inthane-chan
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1/7/02 8:53:20 PM
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New IIRC...
...and I could be spotty on this, but Aragorn is actually a very small part Elf.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #23,457
by tonytib
1/8/02 12:17:02 AM
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New Yes, but very little, but from a couple sources + Maia, too
Consulting the Silmarillion and LoTR appendeces:

Thingol (elf) married Melian, a Maia (a spirit / "angel" roughly on the level of Sauron, well below Melkor/Morgoth)

Their daughter, Luthien (elf), married Beren Barahir (man)

Dior was the son of Beren and Luthien, and Dior's daughter was Elwing.

OK, the other side:
Tuor (man) married Idril Celebrindal (elf), daughter of Turgon King of Gondolin.

Tuor's son Earendil married Elwing. Their sons were Elrond and Elros.

Finally, putting it all together:
Earendil sailed with the last silmarillion to Valinor and obtained the aid of the Valar to defeat Morgoth. After Morgoth was defeated, Elrond and Elros were given the choice to choose their kinship. Elrond, of course, chose to be an elf. Elros chose to be a man, and was the first king of Numenor (Westernesse). This choice was also given to Elrond's children.

Aragorn was descended from Elros, via Elendil (who escaped the ruin of Numenor) by roughly 64 generations.

Tony
     LotR:FotR review - spoilers - (inthane-chan) - (34) - Dec. 28, 2001, 12:59:41 PM EST
         Well, at least SOMEONE got to watch it last night. *grumble* -NT - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 28, 2001, 01:56:48 PM EST
             FINALLY got to see the whole film! - (admin) - Jan. 5, 2002, 08:30:31 PM EST
         The most irritating plot change for me? - (ben_tilly) - (22) - Jan. 3, 2002, 04:11:44 PM EST
             I agree. Plus: - (tseliot) - Jan. 4, 2002, 12:02:44 PM EST
             Battle criticism - (wharris2) - (20) - Jan. 4, 2002, 12:24:19 PM EST
                 The changes I would have made... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Jan. 4, 2002, 04:32:05 PM EST
                     I saw LOTR the other night - (nking) - Jan. 4, 2002, 06:08:08 PM EST
                     Major disagreement - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2002, 08:48:25 PM EST
                         Oh, I agree. - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:34:08 PM EST
                 The Moira scene made more sense on a second viewing - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Jan. 4, 2002, 08:32:53 PM EST
                     OK OK, but surrounding still doesn't make sense - (wharris2) - (14) - Jan. 4, 2002, 11:30:02 PM EST
                         Goblins are Orcs. - (inthane-chan) - (13) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:31:59 PM EST
                             Err_____ makin them humans - (Ashton) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2002, 04:49:43 PM EST
                                 By that token, so were Aragorn and Arwen - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2002, 04:51:31 PM EST
                                     IIRC... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2002, 08:53:20 PM EST
                                         Yes, but very little, but from a couple sources + Maia, too - (tonytib) - Jan. 8, 2002, 12:17:02 AM EST
                             These beings were clearly different from Orcs. - (wharris2) - (8) - Jan. 7, 2002, 05:48:47 PM EST
                                 Several sizes of Orcs - (tonytib) - (7) - Jan. 7, 2002, 06:55:29 PM EST
                                     goblins are to orcs what gollum was to bilbo - (boxley) - (6) - Jan. 8, 2002, 10:23:14 AM EST
                                         Or Myrdraal to Trollocs... -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 8, 2002, 10:27:34 AM EST
                                         Goblins and Orcs - (nking) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:30:30 AM EST
                                             Yup, Gollum used to be... Spoiler warning! (?) - (CRConrad) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:34:46 AM EST
                                                 That was the speculation in the book, at least. - (admin) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:35:49 AM EST
                                                     hobbits in general were animorphes, humanoid otters or - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:58:13 AM EST
                                                         For Marvel-comic values of "mutation". It don' work that way -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 8, 2002, 12:04:04 PM EST
         FX anomalies and other things. - (static) - Jan. 5, 2002, 04:55:28 AM EST
         Screwed again - (broomberg) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2002, 06:08:36 PM EST
             Where are you going... - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2002, 07:11:08 PM EST
                 Re: Where are you going... - (broomberg) - Jan. 7, 2002, 10:52:44 PM EST
             What time did you go? - (nking) - Jan. 5, 2002, 09:11:05 PM EST
         2nd pass review - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2002, 11:19:06 PM EST
             Uruk-hai. :) -NT - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:28:53 PM EST
             Disagree about the hobbits - (wharris2) - Jan. 7, 2002, 05:52:30 PM EST
         Finally Saw it my 2 cents - (boxley) - Jan. 10, 2002, 10:02:20 AM EST

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