Post #228,405
10/6/05 11:59:23 AM
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Again with the anti-Catholic spin
Things I don't understand, part five million and something: \r\n\r\n The Roman Catholic Church states that the Bible is a religious work, not a science textbook or a history textbook. This is an eminently sensible position, and not particularly new for the Church (which has arguably been tending this way for a century or more). \r\n\r\n How is it reported? The Catholic Church is "[link|http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html|instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true]". \r\n\r\n I'm not Catholic, and don't plan ever to be Catholic, but this sort of crap eats me up. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #228,410
10/6/05 12:17:20 PM
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Easy to understand: It's one reporter's opinion. :-)
If you've ever been fortunate enough to be mentioned in a newspaper story (like, say, a piece on your high school play), the blinders about the press begin to fall away. The reporters give their interpretation based on their research, how well they take notes, and their knowledge and biases. It's rare for them to be experts on their beat. Even if they try not to be swayed by bias, it doesn't mean that they accurately report things.
It's a crappy system for getting at facts and the truth, but it's the best we can do at the moment.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #228,411
10/6/05 12:27:52 PM
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s/it's the best we can do/it's what we allow
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Steve
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Post #228,420
10/6/05 1:13:55 PM
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So what's your problem?
The Bible is still the "Truth" in the Greek sense of the word, but perhaps not in the scientific or literal sense of the word. So are you upset that they are claiming that the Bible should not be taken as literally true in a scientific sense. Or are you simply perplexed by the "...some parts of the bible are not actually true" statement. Well, if you don't believe in creationism, or that locusts and grasshoppers have four legs, then you'd have to say that the Bible can not always be taken in a literal sense. Of course, the fundamentalist will try to claim everything in the Bible is literally true, and usually end up missing most everything that makes the Bible an inspirational work.
Anyhow, I think the reporter is misreporting the Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching is that the Bible is true - but truth is a tad more complex than a literal interpretation of facts. The Bible is not meant to be a scientific document - it is meant to define the relationship between man and God. We already know that science is incapable of discovering God - it'd make the whole point of faith rather moot.
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Post #228,425
10/6/05 1:46:33 PM
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I'm perplexed by the reporting.
Something which should be lauded as a reasonable and sensible position is twisted into "Catholics teach that the Bible isn't true." That's what I don't understand. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #228,428
10/6/05 2:09:26 PM
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Stand by for a cheap shot
Something which should be lauded as a reasonable and sensible position is twisted into "Catholics teach that the Bible isn't true." Teaching that the Bible isn't true is a reasonable and sensible position. Ba-dump Thank you, I'll be here all week. ===
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Post #228,433
10/6/05 2:18:53 PM
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But
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true. The title implies that the Bible is NOT true, while the article really says some parts are not true. Readers only scanning headlines will end up with an entirely different understanding. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #228,477
10/6/05 4:28:56 PM
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The Catholic Church has always been a target
for misrepresentations. Even though I don't agree with everything in the "Big Book of Catholicism", I am still a Catholic ( well, really a catholic = universal).
Still, the Catholic Church takes hits all the time. There will be a response, loud and clear, from the Vatican and from the US Council of Bishops to refute the falsehoods being slung.
Toss another log on that fire.
Amy
Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
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Post #228,569
10/7/05 1:32:53 AM
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ICLRPD
Toss another log on that fire. --
Steve
[link|http://www.ubuntulinux.org|Ubuntu]
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Post #229,042
10/11/05 4:40:35 AM
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That's no cheap shot-it is a reasonable and sensible sum-up.
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Post #228,558
10/7/05 12:08:23 AM
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Simple.
The Roman Catholic church puts the authority of the Pope above that of the Bible. This id one of the major differences between Roman Catholics and, as far as I understand it, most Protestants.
Wade.
d-_-b
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Post #228,568
10/7/05 1:30:41 AM
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Not exactly.
The Church puts the authority of God above that of the Bible, and Catholics believe that, in one way or another, the Church is being guided by the Holy Spirit and protected from straying off into evil. Note that the realm of infallibility thus created is extremely narrow and has only bene invokved, IIRC, two or three times in the couple thousand years the Church has existed. \r\n\r\n Also, FWIW the Church predates the Bible by a fair bit. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
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Post #228,603
10/7/05 9:21:46 AM
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That's correct
Papal infallibility only applys to Papal Bulls. These documents are few and far between.
Check it out on Wikipedia: [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull]
BTW, they are called "Bulls" because of the type of seal used to authenticate its importance called a "bulla".
Peace,
Amy
Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
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Post #228,629
10/7/05 12:37:27 PM
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Never trust second hand information
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #228,654
10/7/05 5:00:46 PM
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And often.. 'first-hand' too________:-/
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Post #228,602
10/7/05 9:19:41 AM
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"Some parts of the bible are not actually true"
That's the most enticing thing I've heard from the Catholic Church in a long time. It still wont get my butt in a pew, but it's a step in the right direction for me.
Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
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