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New Still I wouldn't bet on DjVu for long-term
It is a format that I've never heard of.

Open source offers the nice guarantee that anyone can choose to maintain the software. However you'd generally rather not be the one to do so. For long-term interoperability, I'd suggest picking up a format that both has open source tools and is popular. PostScript comes to mind.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Had no opinion on that -
but if asked, would have punted it over here. I think they were mainly dealing with a subset query - a temporary way of d/ling some images of schematics, some already in this format. Odds are that they could not talk the purveyors of such mostly free services, into a better choice. (I'd have butted out, except for M's gratuitous trashing of O.S., in principle.)

I think I've learned a general lesson re how far non-\ufffd folk usually want to go in reassessing their habits, in light of long-term: the fact that many of Andrew's clients have read (?) his aax material, paid to have fungi eradicated, maybe several times: and elect to do nothing differently. You can't find the subtleties more clearly written, for normal people - than at aax, IME.)

Can't push the river.
But it's still frustrating that the Beast's Rovian propaganda is as effective as it is, even among science trained people. Bet not 1:100 would care to peruse the gist of the GPL, the intent of Copyleft and how that needs first to use the \ufffd laws in its implementation.

Pity that so much of IT matters just doesn't evoke Interest in the usually curious! Maybe it seems too much like bookkeeping. (Hell, if I hadn't played with it; sweated over a trivial problem, finally gotten something to Work == the Carrot - I guess that'd be my attitude, too :(

New We use it
[link|http://www.lizardtech.com/products/doc/|http://www.lizardtech.com/products/doc/]

We have to allow our customers to proof printed pages before they go on the full press run. Some customers will only do this in person. This means we have customers LIVING on site for a day or 2 since the press windows might get skewed by an occasional problem. Usually it is a matter of the customer not providing what we need, but then insisting we do not release the press for the next customer. Hell of a balancing act.

When people review our work, they use a magnifying glass.

Some customers do not insist that they review the material onsite, but we have to give them the absolute best electronic version we can.

So we run a few samples and scan then using a high resolution scanner. We are not talking home scanner here.

So this might produce a file that is 400 MB per page. Really. These could be 2 Up 17" forms. And a single mail piece could be 8 forms.

And they might need to seee a dozen mail pieces since our dynamic logic might modify the output depending on the data, so we need an example for each.

So here we have a 4GB file that we have to sent to the customer ASAP over what could be T1 (on their size). Sounds like a 5 hours transfer. Zipped or bzip2 would go down to 2 hours. But then we have marketing directors dealing with VERY large files on the other end, dealing with decompression, etc? Bad idea.

Enter DjVu.

Incredible compression,

Embedded into a browser app.

Do we expect to view it years later?
No.

But it is great for this particular usage.
New I'm not saying that it isn't useful
Just that open source is no guarantee of useful longevity.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Huh?
Open Source?
This isn't open source.
This is licensed.
New Read Ashton's rant
It was about open source. DjVu was just an example. All that I know about it came from a quick google.

Which turned up [link|http://www.djvuzone.org/|http://www.djvuzone.org/] which advertises open source implementations. [link|http://djvulibre.djvuzone.org/|http://djvulibre.djvuzone.org/] has the standard implemented in GPLed format.

So yes. There is an open source implementation. I have no idea how good it is or isn't.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Ahh
We pay.
Happily.
     An example of the concept of 'free' s/ware- in another venue - (Ashton) - (7)
         Still I wouldn't bet on DjVu for long-term - (ben_tilly) - (6)
             Had no opinion on that - - (Ashton)
             We use it - (broomberg) - (4)
                 I'm not saying that it isn't useful - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                     Huh? - (broomberg) - (2)
                         Read Ashton's rant - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             Ahh - (broomberg)

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