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New Are trains much safer?
When you have a train traveling at 200 mph, and there is an explosion in the first carriage, how many people will die?
New But, as the joke goes...
when the plane crashes they ask: "where there any survivors?"
New Where?
In the U.S., if they have trains going faster than 60-70 mph it's a miracle in itself.
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."
-- Donald Knuth
New HSR safety record
The Germans have the best applied data -- the Hannover-Hamburg line of the ICE [link|http://www.o-keating.com/hsr/icecrash.htm|sufferd a derailment] in a middle car of a multi-car train, at 200kph (about 125 mph). Top cruising speed is nearer 280 kph, or 174 mph. The derailment itself wasn't quite so bad as the subsequent collision with an overpass, with fatal consequences for the track crew on the scene as well. The cause is commonly attributed to be a broken wheel (not detailed in the article above). The accident killed 70. This is the line my cousin and his fiance take regularly.


A French TGV derailed at 182 mph (294 kph) from axle failure, resulting in minor injuries.

As the old saw goes, it's not speed that kills, but the sudden deceleration at the end. A derailment in which rolling stock slides to a halt in open country is going to have a significantly different profile than a collision with other rolling stock, fixed structures, or incidents involving bridges, tunnels, or significant slopes (eg: mountainous regions).

Trains are substantially more structurally robust than airplanes. Though accelerating mass costs energy, trains aren't tasked with lifting it to altitude. Likewise, a small explosion on an airplane can result in a loss of pressure containment, which very frequently leads to major structural loss (though not always: loss of windows, and even hull sections, has occured on modern jetliners, without total loss of craft, passengers, or control). An aircraft has to contend with both horizontal decelleration and vertical impact. As the old drunk's saying goes, it's hard to fall off the floor.

The track record (so to speak) of high speed rail is quite good -- the German accident was the first in seven years. The disadvantage is a largely accessible infrastructure (the right of way), should a saboteur chose to lay waste to it. France, Germany, and Japan have a substantial and good history with the technology. England, by contrast, has a problem (and disaster) prone rail system widely seen as a national disgrace.

In the US, high-speed corridors with trains travelling up to 125 MPH exist, largely in the Boston-Washington area. It's proven popular both before and since Sept 11. Other projects are under exploration, largely SF-LA, Dallas-Houston, and possibly extending from Chicago, though these are largely moribund. Distances and population densities in the US make HSR a difficult prospect, though for transits of up to 500 miles, it should prove competitive with air travel.
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New While I like the concept of rail...
Implementing rail in the US is going to be a huge investment. Imagine all of the support business for airlines (rental cars, hotels, restaurants, stores, parking lots, sky caps, etc.) and realize that they have to be duplicated for railroads as the mechanism is so similar. (

(Yes, you can take your car with you on a train, but most railroad travelers don't).

Perhaps the answer is to run the railroads to where these support mechanisms exist (ie: airports).

The other possible answer, perhaps, is to change the mechanism for rail transportation. Instead of parking your car, buying a ticket and climbing about a vehicle....perhaps the answer is to model it similar to our highway system - Drive your car to an on-ramp and let it transport you to your destination.
New Setting the dials on the Way-Forward machine
(which assumes we might not ever get over techno for its own sake ??)

I see:

Clones bred with tabla rasa for purposes of temporarily hosting - holographic-like personalities transmitted from afar. You visit by sending a er (local host ;-) to an address; in-corporate personality and.. it seems to be You. (This takes care of visits which are umm, other than platonic in nature).

Spin-offs: You Can! try that Grand Canyon leap on a Vincent, say - if willing to pay the deposit on the local host not returned OR (if you should make it - though I really wouldn't want to land umm astride.. aforementioned vehicle!) -- why then you could have your 15 minutes of fame in this sterile, work-less techno-society of The (Momentarily) Famous!

This-all can be a plausible solution (if idiotic - but then, so much else is too..) to energy usage per capita, when everyone's warehoused in cells in 1000-story Urbmons (thanks Mr. Silverberg).





(OK OK ... but the movie'd sell, be better than car-crashes, guns and heaped dead burned bodies shown in livid color) And some asshole'd actually like 'living' that way and start funding it.


\ufffd 2001 Ashton Human Progress Seminars Ltd.
'Progress' is always in the eye of the entrepreneur, not the folks what gots to live with it
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             Great... - (tjsinclair) - (8)
                 Perhaps the postal approach + (note dearth of females) - (Ashton) - (7)
                     One thing I noted later - (tjsinclair) - (1)
                         Response, more than prophylaxis - (kmself)
                     Just as nutso, but . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Actually, yes there have been - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                         Well there's always.. fly sedated. - (Ashton) - (2)
                             Evil Grin - you're still focused on the passenger aspect... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                 The buyout option - (kmself)
         Just got back from LA - (tuberculosis) - (9)
             So it's now quicker to drive.. SF--> LA - (Ashton) - (7)
                 Re: flying naked. - (a6l6e6x)
                 Are trains much safer? - (Arkadiy) - (5)
                     But, as the joke goes... - (Simon_Jester)
                     Where? - (wharris2)
                     HSR safety record - (kmself) - (2)
                         While I like the concept of rail... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             Setting the dials on the Way-Forward machine - (Ashton)
             Got back from AZ yesterday... - (inthane-chan)
         Okay, so what's the news on the explosive? - (wharris2) - (4)
             I've heard rumor it's pentrite...but I don't know - (Simon_Jester)
             According to NY Times - triacetone triperoxide, TATP. - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                 Duh? - (Ric Locke) - (1)
                     Screwed-up weather. - (inthane-chan)

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