Thanks. BTW is Debian not on 2.4 kernel yet?

Post #21,030 by drewk 12/11/01 3:32:58 PM Reply	Thanks. BTW is Debian not on 2.4 kernel yet? How long does it take for Debian to move a new kernel into the stable tree? How long should I expect it to be before the stable tree has the 2.4 kernel? We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,031 by pwhysall 12/11/01 3:34:05 PM Reply	Bloody ages. Never mind Debian, you want a proper distro, like Red Hat. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,033 by drewk 12/11/01 3:40:22 PM Reply	Oh damn, get the asbestos I'm just about to do that anyway. I got to liking Debian using it at work (apt really does rock) but without a high-speed, always-on connection, its utility diminishes somewhat. For my home laptop (limited space) I expect to do one install and pretty much leave it as is. I know what I need to do what I want to do, and don't plan on having to update often. Isn't that the purpose of a stable OS after all, that you don't have to constantly fiddle with it? Reminds me of car seats, in a way. I've had cars with seats that couldn't be adjusted very much, but they felt great. I've had other cars with seats that adjusted eight ways from Sunday but none of them felt right. Time to see what's in the latest RedHat and Mandrake distros. We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,035 by admin 12/11/01 3:46:29 PM Reply	Do yourself a favor... ... and try SuSE while you're at it. ;-) Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,037 by drewk 12/11/01 3:51:36 PM Reply	Aaaarrrrggghh!!! Me: Where can I get A? Peanut gellery: You don't want A, you want B. Me: You're right, maybe I'll try B. PG: No, C! C! Me: Aaaarrrrggghh!!! We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,039 by admin 12/11/01 3:55:19 PM Reply	Muah. It's all an evil plot to DRIVE YOU TO OS/2!!!! Seriously, though, I've used RedHat for a long time, and I find that SuSE Just Works Better[tm]. I tried Mandrake for my laptop, but I couldn't get it to load. Ditto Debian. So my real experience is between RedHat and SuSE. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,042 by drewk 12/11/01 4:05:48 PM Reply	Hmm, CheapBytes doesn't have it At least not that I can find. All they seem to have the the official versions with the docs, and copies of the evaluation version. Am I missing something? We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,058 by admin 12/11/01 5:12:09 PM Reply	Dunno. You can either d/l it, or buy the official version, apparently. The official version is worth it, IMO, as you get some really, really nice printed documentation with the CDs. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,062 by bepatient 12/11/01 5:17:05 PM Reply	Last I check, you can only >buy< the current version. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #21,067 by admin 12/11/01 5:23:00 PM Reply	Re: Last I check, you can only >buy< the current version. [link\|ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/i386/7.3/\|Download All You Want, We'll Code More] Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,068 by Another Scott 12/11/01 5:24:17 PM Reply	I think he meant from CheapBytes. Correct BP?
Post #21,075 by bepatient 12/11/01 5:41:21 PM 12/11/01 5:43:38 PM Reply	Well...it always pays to look again... It appears that they have made the 7.3 iso images available. (post edit: only for SPARC can I find the iso images) For i386 I can still only find the demo) Last time I looked it was only available as a demo or for sale. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient] Edited by bepatient Dec. 11, 2001, 05:43:38 PM EST Expand All History
Post #21,043 by pwhysall 12/11/01 4:06:22 PM Reply	For a working box you don't need to twiddle nearly as much as someone like me actually does. Frexample, you don't need to build your own kernel; you don't need to run snapshots of GNOME 2.0 CVS; you don't need the latest version of XMMS, etc etc etc. If you stay within the boundaries of your distribution, and keep up with updates that are essential (like security updates), then you'll have a box that just runs and runs. Of course, it will be somewhat less fun than mine, but hey :) Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,087 by kmself 12/11/01 6:55:07 PM Reply	Debian & kernels Kernels are largely independent of Debian version. You should be able to snarf the kernel of your choosing from either the Debian package site of your choosing, or from kernel.org. I'm still leaning slightly to 2.2.x kernels, as the 2.4 has still not meaningfully stabilized. Unless you're interested in cutting-edge features, there's no compelling need for 2.4. Reiserfs support is avialable (via patches) for 2.2, which is the main argument I would consider. It's possible to run Debian over a dialup. If needs be, run updates periodically on an overnight basis if you can't tie up a phone during the day, or snarf off of someone's high-speed link. For an intermittently connectec box, you can be a bit more lax with updates. I'd still recommend going with an unstable, rather than stable, release. The difference is that you want to pin most of your packages so you're not doing low-level updates. Stick to security and bugfix stuff. That Peter guy? He's full of shit half the time, and British the rest of it ;-) `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`

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