Post #207,459
5/15/05 4:26:21 AM
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Class in America
The NY Times has an interesting series on class in America. [link|http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_01.html|here ] you can check what percentile you are in.
I ended up with the following:
Occupation: Computer Programmer 65th percentile or Computer Software Engineers 77th percentile
Education: 97th percentile, I have a Master's Degree in Computer Science
Income: 93rd percentile
Wealth: 85th percentile ($100,000 - $500,000), I own a house which is worth between $350 and $400k, my mortgage is about a $100k
Average: 85-88th percentile depending upon which occupation I pick
The article talks a lot about how the biggest factor in success is who your parents were. If you look at me and my wife you could say that was true. Both my parents have college degrees, my father has a Law Degree from an Ivy League Law school. However, all of my grandparents were immigrants who came here with nothing without even a high school education. My parents and their siblings had to work very hard to get ahead. My grandparents pushed their children very hard to get an education. In addition in the 1940's, 1950's, and 1960's there was a lot of anti-Jewish prejudice/discrimination in the US. My father graduated from Yale law school in the early 1960's and could not get an interview at any top law firms because he was a religious Jew. I agree that parents matter a lot, but not in the way that the article states. Parents who care about their children, take an interest in their education and sacrifice for their children, end up with children who do better then them and move up in class.
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Post #207,460
5/15/05 4:31:00 AM
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I'll be cleaning your shoes, then
68th percentile.
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Post #207,463
5/15/05 5:33:01 AM
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Interesting factoid
If.. re 'Net Worth':
Owning free & clear a house / land worth ~ half a Mil puts one in the 93rd percentile!
(Assuming no other negatives in form of massive 'credit' borrowing)
Implicit is that: little equity, no savings, maxed-out CCs represents the usual situation in Murica '05.
As we've heard in many other econ tabulations.
Looks as if most of that <93% bought the Disneyland Dream of never delaying gratification and/or sent n+1 kids to Ivy League $chools or just.. made the fatal mistake of getting rilly sick in Murica sans Full-coverage.
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Post #207,464
5/15/05 7:08:00 AM
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Arsebiscuits.
I forgot to add in all the various bits of property, which are partially in my name in order to avoid inheritance tax (if the net value of the estate is more than about \ufffd260,000 then the government hits you for 40%.)
I crawl into the 85th percentile when I add all that in.
Ho hum. Parade Gloss, sir?
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Post #207,472
5/15/05 8:56:15 AM
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O: 70 / E: 99 / I: 91 / W: 93 / Ave: 88.
Like you, my Occupation number can move around a bit (92 to 70).
"... and all of the children are above average."
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #207,475
5/15/05 9:08:01 AM
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sorry, I cut class and sneer at those who pretend it exists
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Post #207,476
5/15/05 9:15:23 AM
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It's very real on this side of the pond
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Post #207,503
5/15/05 4:28:09 PM
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Yes the euro's pretend that it exists the most
follwed perhaps by the saudi's and the nigerians. Doesnt exist, and I refuse to acknowledge some other bloke's pretensions.
thanx,
bill
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Post #207,508
5/15/05 4:53:16 PM
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Gotta raise the BS flag on that one
We all know you drive shit cars, Bill. And you may have been covering a couple of mortgages for a while, but you were worried about it. You may be living exactly the life you want, but you're not living like you don't care what it costs. The people above the glass ceiling are living that way.
When you get paid ten megabucks to leave a company you've just run into the ground, then you can talk about having cut through the glass.
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Post #207,520
5/15/05 6:27:55 PM
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thats not a class issue
I could do the same but choose not to. I have broke bread with extremely rich, extremely poor and lotsa folk in between even a minor royal or two, they all wipe their asses with their hand (and an absorbant something of course) and it is clearly denoted so in their speech. The ones that think they are class are obviously not. A lot of rich people do have class of course, so do a lot of dead poor folks.
thanx,
bill
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Post #207,482
5/15/05 10:04:51 AM
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I suspect...
... that there's a LARGE difference in the type of life the last few percentiles live, however.
89th here, although I chose "Masters", even though I don't actually have one. I have two bachelor degrees, however, a situation I have never seen accounted for on this kind of survey.
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Post #207,489
5/15/05 1:09:10 PM
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I have two bachelors.
I keep them in the shed and make them wash my car.
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Post #207,500
5/15/05 4:05:23 PM
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Something really strange when ...
programmers are in the 65th percentile and Computer Support Specialists are in the 80th and DBA's and System Admins are in the 83rd percentile. Why are we programmers so looked down upon?
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Post #207,505
5/15/05 4:41:43 PM
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Since HTML "programming" became in vogue, maybe?
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Post #207,509
5/15/05 4:55:49 PM
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Just had this discussion at work Friday
I used the word "developers" and someone asked me, "When did they stop being programmers?" I said, "Probably about the time everyone with a copy of FrontPage started calling themself a web programmer."
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Post #207,558
5/16/05 12:58:37 AM
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Sounds about right to me :-)
Mind you, the nearest thing to my job on that list is "systems analyst", which is the most delightfully vague term.
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Post #207,917
5/18/05 1:46:46 AM
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CS/IT Mgt is only 66
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
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Post #207,909
5/18/05 12:46:57 AM
5/18/05 12:48:30 AM
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Very clever interface.
That's seriously well thought out. Bit of a pity it's a Flash object.
Occupation 77/83 (Computer Software Engineer/Database Administrator)
Education 69
Income 69
Wealth 43
Average 64/66
Interestingly, if I plug in my wife's data (ex-Registered Nurse, not earning much now, though), I also get an average of 66.
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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
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Edited by static
May 18, 2005, 12:48:30 AM EDT
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Post #207,923
5/18/05 3:06:55 AM
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Wahey!
You're further down than me!
Polish 'em, you colonial buffoon!
;-)
[Aside; it'd be entertaining to do this as a quality-of-life exercise, said the chap who has 30 days paid leave this year and who works 37.5 hours a week, sharp. I wonder how much of those hyarge salaries we hear about in the US is clawed back (fiscally or otherwise) with unpaid overtime, crappy leave/sick arrangements and wotnot?]
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Post #208,046
5/18/05 10:55:19 PM
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Definitely on ther QoL thing.
I've determined in the last few years that doing out-of-hours support is Not Good For My Health. No matter what the pay. I have enough of a problem living a life outside normal hours without work intruding in there too.
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