And something for the serious Star Wars collecter...

Post #206,943 by Steven A S 5/11/05 1:35:43 PM Reply	And something for the serious Star Wars collecter... [link\|http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/LW.htm\|Land Walker] ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton
Post #207,646 by Nightowl 5/16/05 2:53:37 PM Reply	Re: And something for the serious Star Wars collecter... Sorry, no room for something that big here. :) I'm a selective collector. ;) Brenda THREE MORE DAYS to ROTS! "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,648 by pwhysall 5/16/05 2:58:03 PM Reply	Return of the Suck? Seriously, Brenda. Star Wars is arse. Don't be a suckah. Wait six months and buy it on DVD for a tenner. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,649 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:00:54 PM Reply	Sorry, no can do Already have my tickets, and you're talking to a die-hard Star Wars fan since 1977. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,654 by pwhysall 5/16/05 3:03:37 PM Reply	Sell 'em on eBay. Then you can spend two and a half hours of your life watching paint dry, which will be more rewarding and uplifting than watching Lucas masturbate in public (aka "any Star Wars film"). Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,655 by inthane-chan 5/16/05 3:05:08 PM Reply	Wow, Peter, you really have a hate on. Wassamatter, you traumatized as a youth when you saw those cuddly little Ewoks getting blown away by stormtroopers? FRUNGY! FRUNGY! FRUNGY!
Post #207,657 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:06:31 PM Reply	Nah He just sees a chance to mess around with me since it's the first time I've been on in more than a week, I think. I can't even remember the last time I was on here, it's been so hectic. And besides, I'm a Star Wars fan, I can take it. ;) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,659 by pwhysall 5/16/05 3:10:27 PM Reply	It just gets on my tits. All this fuss over a sub-par (made by Lucas, and it's not THX-1138) sci-fi film for kids[0]. Stand by to be merchandised at. [0] I'm aware of the protestations that it's not for kids. I'll believe that when I can't get a ROTS Happy Meal or Whopper FC crap thing. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,660 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:12:10 PM Reply	Re: It just gets on my tits. [0] I'm aware of the protestations that it's not for kids. I'll believe that when I can't get a ROTS Happy Meal or Whopper FC crap thing. The toys and merchandise are for kids, yes. This film, though, is not. No one under 9 or 10 years old should be taken to see it unless they are completely aware of what they will be seeing. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,662 by pwhysall 5/16/05 3:16:32 PM Reply	This is what I mean. So this film is going to be all mature and stuff. Right. But here's your ROTS-burger, little Jimmy! I know you haven't seen the film (it's for adults, which is why it's R-rated, right?) but you have an uncanny knowledge of the film's characters, plot and set-piece SFX extravaganzas. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,663 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:17:17 PM Reply	Not R-rated PG-13. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,664 by pwhysall 5/16/05 3:22:49 PM Reply	I know that. I was being sarcastic. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,673 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:33:04 PM Reply	Sorry I didn't catch that. I miss sarcasm a lot. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,733 by admin 5/16/05 6:33:23 PM Reply	Yes, I miss sarcasm too. It's a dying art. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #207,738 by Another Scott 5/16/05 6:56:14 PM Reply	:-)
Post #207,656 by Nightowl 5/16/05 3:05:17 PM 5/16/05 3:07:18 PM Reply	I don't trust E-bay Besides, I'm too hyped about this movie for anything to ruin it. Trust me. :) This one promises to be the end-all, be-all, out-with-a-bang finale! Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr Edited by Nightowl May 16, 2005, 03:07:18 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,680 by Silverlock 5/16/05 4:10:41 PM Reply	So he's not going to do the final 3 episodes? This one promises to be the end-all, be-all, out-with-a-bang finale! Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he always said the Star Wars saga was a 9 parter? ----------------------------------------- "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." -- H. L. Mencken Support our troops, Impeach Bush. D. D. Richards
Post #207,683 by folkert 5/16/05 4:18:33 PM Reply	It is a 9 part series. But evidently, he wants to move on to something else. And actually chronlogically occuring Movie from 1978 would be the next movie Star Warez... the Umpire Strikes Out and The Return of the JetPlane. Then we get to the next set. Well, he doesn't wanna do them. I guess, when you have achieved $20 Billion in sales on something and you have been dealing with it since 1974... Well, I can see it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #207,686 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:21:50 PM Reply	According to Lucas, no However, the original 9 part or 12 part series underwent a number of changes, where instead of having Leia be some other jedi who was the "other hope" he made her Luke's sister. The last three (7, 8, 9), were originally going to chronicle the "other's" path, but he changed it to blend them together into the first six. Of course, I never believe Lucas, since he changes his mind frequently, but he does insist he isn't making more movies. He is planning on making two TV shows though, in the future. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,687 by ChrisR 5/16/05 4:22:09 PM Reply	Didn't I hear something about a TV series? And don't forget syndication rights. (I enjoyed the first installment - episode IV - when I first saw it in theatres. Mostly because it didn't try to tie all the loose ends together. Empire strikes back was ok, because Lucas didn't direct it, and it was sadistic. The New Hope is that Lucas will be sadistic with the sudden demise of those damn- goodie-two-shoe- meddling- know-it-all jedis.)
Post #207,692 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:26:27 PM Reply	You heard right I don't have the details in my memory, but I can go get a description of it if you want me to. (I enjoyed the first installment - episode IV - when I first saw it in theatres. Mostly because it didn't try to tie all the loose ends together. Empire strikes back was ok, because Lucas didn't direct it, and it was sadistic. The New Hope is that Lucas will be sadistic with the sudden demise of those damn- goodie-two-shoe- meddling- know-it-all jedis.) Your hope will be realized...this film is VERY sadistic, violent, etc. And your wish will be granted. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,694 by pwhysall 5/16/05 4:31:02 PM Reply	It's not very sadistic or violent. It's a PG-13. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,701 by ChrisR 5/16/05 4:43:52 PM Reply	That just means there's no sex involved.
Post #207,710 by boxley 5/16/05 5:02:22 PM Reply	what! Im not going then :-) All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #207,711 by ChrisR 5/16/05 5:02:24 PM Reply	We all know that Evil will triumph... ...because Good is dumb. (semi-obscure reference) I've kind of lost all sympathy with the Jedi in the last two flicks. Will kind of enjoy seeing them get their comeuppance. Die.Jedi.Die. As a counterpoint, I've always thought it interesting that the master swordsman in Kurosawa's Seven Sumarai wasn't killed by a mightier swordsman. He was killed by a stray bullet. Stray bullets don't ever seem to do any damage in Star Wars as the Storm Troopers couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. But in real life, it's just a bunch of flying metal (or whatever emits from those guns they have) that can rip through anyone, worthy or unworthy. Even in times when hand-to-hand combat was more prevalent, mighty Achilles was brought down from a distance.
Post #207,735 by n3jja 5/16/05 6:36:25 PM Reply	Funny, you don't look Druish.....
Post #208,252 by Steven A S 5/23/05 3:12:58 PM Reply	I knew it, I'm surrounded by Assholes! ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton
Post #207,684 by ben_tilly 5/16/05 4:20:12 PM Reply	Why don't you trust eBay? I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #207,688 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:23:56 PM Reply	Well, it's simple It's because it's a site where anyone can go and auction something off, and you don't ever know who you can and can't trust. My brother has dealt with it, and he has both scored and been ripped off, but we're not willing to take that sort of a risk. We only deal with established sites with a privacy policy that we can trust a little better than every mom and pop site on the net. Just a matter of who to trust online, really. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,693 by ben_tilly 5/16/05 4:29:10 PM Reply	The risk is worthwhile I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #207,697 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:34:10 PM Reply	For some, maybe. For us, we'd rather be more careful. I'm not knocking e-bay, I just don't use it. I'll hunt up whatever I want till I locate it on a reputable site. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,698 by pwhysall 5/16/05 4:35:25 PM Reply	splutter What's a "reputable site", if not eBay? Or is this the invisible Hand of John, again? Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,709 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:59:18 PM Reply	It's not all about John If my brother hadn't been ripped off, I would probably have a different view on it. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,700 by Steve Lowe 5/16/05 4:40:23 PM 5/16/05 4:40:50 PM Reply	You infer that ebay isn't a reputable site. When it is, in fact, one of the more reputable sites on the internet. If you buy something that isn't as advertised, there's a buyer protection program. If you sell something, you get payment before you ship it. There really is little risk beyond understanding what you're doing and what the rules are. As to privacy policy, ebay is a leader there. -- Steve Edited by Steve Lowe May 16, 2005, 04:40:50 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,703 by bepatient 5/16/05 4:47:57 PM Reply	I've never had an issue. Even on some things that I had reservations about buying. That said, there are some things I would likely never buy on ebay, like guitars for example. I want to touch it/play it before I buy it. Can't do that on ebay (yet). PC parts (buy/sell), auto parts (buy for friends hopping up Acuras)...been using it for 4+ years on a regular basis. I bought my entire home theater system on a combination of ubid/ebay and haven't had any issues with it. In fact, the ONKYO amp was bought on ebay...the supplier was Crazy Eddy's in NY. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #207,706 by Steve Lowe 5/16/05 4:54:14 PM Reply	My brother recently bought a bass guitar. My brother recently bought a bass guitar on ebay, but the seller had a 10 day trial period specified on the auction. My brother had played several of the same model so pretty much knew what he wanted. He's still got it :) But yeah..that's one reason I've never bought a Carvin guitar. Always want to play them first. I was in San Diego recently and went to the Carvin factory store. I decided that I don't care for their 'rapid play' neck, I prefer something more akin to a Louisville Slugger. -- Steve
Post #207,732 by jb4 5/16/05 6:27:54 PM 5/16/05 6:28:07 PM Reply	Must be nice to have big hands... Louisville slugger, eh? Indeed... jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 May 16, 2005, 06:28:07 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,708 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:58:11 PM Reply	Re: You infer that ebay isn't a reputable site. I didn't mean to infer IT wasn't, I meant the people aren't always. If there were all these protections, why did my brother get ripped off? I consider a reputable site to be something like Sears, Panasonic, or Barnes and Noble, established, known, and reachable if anything goes wrong. I'm sure you can reach the people who run e-bay, but you can't always reach the ones that rip you off. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,734 by jb4 5/16/05 6:35:41 PM 5/16/05 6:36:09 PM Reply	I don't know why your brother got "ripped off" Did he use payPal to pay for it? Or a credit card? If so, then there just isn't any way he could have gotten ripped off, unless: 1) He didn't follow the all-to-easy-to-follow procedure for disputing a sale 2) It was a hundred years ago, before they had all the safeguards in the currently do 3) He really didn't get ripped off, or there was some sort of trivial misunderstanding that, by the time the story was told to you, became him getting ripped off. As to number 2); hey, things change. 5 years ago, I'd have never used my cable company to access the internet. BBut today, here I am, sending even more of my green stamps to Comcast (grimble...). You might want to reconsider your stance here, Brenda. Look at all the IWETHEY'ers who are saying that it works. I jumped in before I heard these endorsements; and even if I haden't, just seeing this thread, with the feedback from people whose opinion I have come to trust over the last decade (yes, that even includes you, Beep!) would be all I'd need to give it a try! jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 May 16, 2005, 06:36:09 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,760 by Nightowl 5/16/05 11:59:04 PM 5/17/05 12:01:13 AM Reply	Re: I don't know why your brother got "ripped off" Did he use payPal to pay for it? Or a credit card? If so, then there just isn't any way he could have gotten ripped off, unless: How about he just sent the check to the guy and the guy didn't send the merchandise? That is what happened. And the guy cashed the check before my brother got a clue things were gone bad. Then he disappeared off E-bay. I mean if the rule is not to ship till you get the money, how do they keep people from taking the money and running and not sending anything? Edit: he contacted the guy several times before he "disappeared" and was assured the merchandise was sent. But it never was. ...You might want to reconsider your stance here, Brenda. Look at all the IWETHEY'ers who are saying that it works. ...! The difference though, is whether or not I have a need to use it, and I don't. I find most everything I want online in other manners, and don't have to "bid" against anyone else for them. It's kinda like cable TV I guess. It would be nice to have it, I could watch more hockey, but I live fine without it. I'm not saying it doesn't work, either. I'm saying it's not totally foolproof, is all. I don't know when it happened, maybe a year or so back, but my brother lost hundreds of dollars when it did. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr Edited by Nightowl May 17, 2005, 12:01:13 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,778 by admin 5/17/05 6:40:03 AM Reply	Your brother did it to himself, then. The way they keep people from not sending anything is by using a credit card or PayPal, both of which will give you your money back if the seller never sends the goods. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #207,876 by n3jja 5/17/05 7:03:47 PM Reply	I use Postal Money Orders. Then if something goes wrong, it's Mail Fraud. Your brother was dumb enough to send a personal check, I assume?
Post #207,879 by Another Scott 5/17/05 7:08:15 PM Reply	That's what I did before I finally got a PayPal account.
Post #207,881 by n3jja 5/17/05 7:11:58 PM Reply	Had that once. Got rid of it. I don't buy or sell often enough on Ebay to warrant having it.
Post #207,882 by Another Scott 5/17/05 7:21:50 PM Reply	Seems pretty painless, mostly. I've only used it to pay for things. I've never sold anything on eBay, though I've been tempted to look into it.... I did get awfully annoyed with them when they insisted that I "Get Verified" and give them a checking account number. Since the payment then defaults to using the checking account (thereby saving them the 3% or whatever the CC company charges), they save money, but the purchaser no longer gets the 'insurance' provided by the card. As long as I'm not in a hurry, I can flip it back to the CC and foil their Evil Plan. But it's annoying. Electronic money transfer by purchasers is a good thing (I remember spending about $50 to Western Union $200 a few years ago). I just wish it were a little more transparent than PayPal. Cheers, Scott.
Post #207,963 by jb4 5/18/05 11:42:52 AM Reply	The purchaser gets "insurance"... ...through PayPal itself if you use the direct-from-checking-account payment method. I still like to use the credit card, though.... jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #208,103 by scoenye 5/19/05 4:48:18 PM Reply	They charged me to set up that "free" account Needless to say, that account didn't last long...
Post #207,726 by CRConrad 5/16/05 6:13:53 PM Reply	Naah, she implies it. She wants you to infer it. HTH!
Post #207,716 by ben_tilly 5/16/05 5:33:00 PM Reply	Plan to use it for 10 items, then get back to me Their reported fraud rate is 1/10,000. There is reason to believe that this figure is somewhat low. Other shopping channels have a shrinkage of about 1-2%. I personally doubt that eBay's is that high. (People are generally more willing to steal from big companies than other individuals...) Let's say that their actual fraud rate is 1%. Suppose that you get a 10% better deal from eBay than you do elsewhere. (Odds are that that's slightly pessimistic as well...) After 10 times you've probably not been defrauded, and if you have then you've almost certainly not been defrauded twice. (If a 1% fraud rate, the odds that it has happened once are about 10%, and twice are below 0.2%.) Even if you've been defrauded once, you're still even. If you haven't been defrauded, you're ahead. This is the same kind of numbers game that is used as the basis of insurance. But on eBay the numbers are favourable enough that it takes very little time to get to the point where it is worthwhile. This is before taking into account the things that eBay does to try to make buying through them a more pleasant experience. You can also choose to minimize your risk in various ways, for instance you can only buy from eBay sellers who've done a lot of selling. (Lots of people run businesses there, and so you get a lot of feedback on them.) If you don't want to use eBay, that is your choice. But not doing it because you're scared of being robbed is being penny wise and pound foolish. The risk really is worth it. Cheers, Ben PS Disclaimer. I work for eBay, though in a capacity that has nothing to do with their auction site. I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #207,740 by bepatient 5/16/05 7:00:20 PM Reply	Latest example Need a minipci combo card for a Thinkpad laptop. I could buy it from a "reputable" dealer...such as IBM. Their price is $259 without taxes or shipping. I just purchased this (yet to arrive) from a gentleman on ebay for the landed cost of $14.99. If I get screwed on this deal. I can try it 16 more times before I'm up to the price I would pay from the "reputable" store. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #207,744 by Another Scott 5/16/05 7:19:11 PM Reply	No real problems here either. I've bought computer stuff, inexpensive collectables, used cell phones, PDAs, posters, and some jewelry. Everything went pretty well. Some of the cell phones weren't exactly as described, but they were close enough (e.g. a label was missing). It wasn't worth the hassle to complain. The jewelry was something that didn't quite meet my overblown expectations. But it was one of those "if you think it's too good to be true, it probably is" things. The pearls are very nice, but not quite the *fabulous* things described in the listing. The vendor (who had thousands of positive responses going back several years) closed up shop before I even had a chance to leave feedback. But I don't think I was cheated. The vast majority of the things I've purchased on eBay have exceeded my expectations. Most people who sell stuff there really do want you to be happy. A friend in Ohio bought a car in California on eBay. It took several months for everything to be completed (he had to arrange transportation), but it went pretty well. He bought another in Georgia that went just about perfectly. Greg [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=125618\|bought ] one too. eBay's like any store in this respect: You need to investigate the purchase before you complete the transaction. If you don't feel comfortable about it, don't do it. But I've felt better buying stuff on eBay than the few times I've bought stuff at the local Wal-Mart. Cheers, Scott.
Post #207,761 by Nightowl 5/17/05 12:03:44 AM Reply	Hehehe ...But I've felt better buying stuff on eBay than the few times I've bought stuff at the local Wal-Mart. I don't shop at Walmart, either. ;) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,731 by jb4 5/16/05 6:25:59 PM Reply	A bit of history: Just got a refund from PayPal, due to a seller not bothering to send me the goods. Didn't cost me a dime, and the process was easier than getting back money from MasterCard. Yes there are disreputable sellers on eBay. Most of them don't hang around long, as the rest of the community self-polices (along with eBay and its faithful side-kick, PayPal) rather effectively -- actually sorta like this community. The site itself is as reputable as it gets on the wild-n-wooly internet. When Ben defends it, you gotta know there's something being done right.... And who's "we", Kemosabe?!? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #207,762 by Nightowl 5/17/05 12:08:54 AM Reply	Not that it matters But the we is me and John. But I didn't like e-bay or the concept of it long before John was a factor, because I've never cared for auction sites or places. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,696 by pwhysall 5/16/05 4:33:21 PM Reply	It's got the best privacy and protection policies, IMHO You're being a berk if you think otherwise, I think. And if you're going to spout about "established sites", then remember that eBay has been around for years and years. Selling on eBay is easy; you don't ship your item until you receive payment. No payment, no ship. Risk-free. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,707 by Nightowl 5/16/05 4:55:17 PM Reply	Selling, maybe Buying is another. My brother sent a large amount of money to get a particular piece of sound equipment. It wasn't ever shipped and the guy skipped out. He never was able to find him and counted it a loss. I don't believe anything is without risk, anyway. Besides, I hate auctions. I just want to know the price and then pay it, not bid on stuff. So if you're trying to sell me on E-bay, you might as well try selling me on AOL. You'll get the same results. ;) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,737 by jbrabeck 5/16/05 6:47:55 PM Reply	He sent money? Cash, Check, money order? Use Paypal or CC. Seller who won't take PP or CC doesn't deserve business. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #207,741 by bepatient 5/16/05 7:03:26 PM Reply	Cash or Equivalent? They your brother made a mistake. An expensive one. Never give cash or equivalent ANYWHERE without having goods in hand. This is not specific to online transactions. eBay tells you this. Common sense tells you this. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #207,763 by Nightowl 5/17/05 12:11:42 AM Reply	Yep, he made a mistake He admitted it. And he's learned from it. I don't know how he pays now, but it's not like that. Look you all can have your e-bay and love it and use it all you want. It's just not my thing. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,767 by pwhysall 5/17/05 1:18:49 AM Reply	What's annoying... ...is your leap from "my brother sent money to a random person" to "eBay isn't a safe or secure place to do business". No-one here cares one jot whether you become an eBay Power Seller or whether you never log on to the thing in your life. It's your unsubstantiated assertions about safety and security (based on the fact that your brother was a plank) that are being challenged. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,784 by jbrabeck 5/17/05 7:32:43 AM 5/17/05 10:18:09 AM Reply	Kinda like I went shopping at Walmart (everyone recognizes that name) and someone stole my wallet. Therefore, Walmart is not a safe place to shop... edt: oops.. fat fingers in the morning... A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Edited by jbrabeck May 17, 2005, 10:18:09 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,786 by pwhysall 5/17/05 7:39:20 AM Reply	Eggzackly. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,792 by CRConrad 5/17/05 9:47:03 AM Reply	It's quite thyme, though. And rather rosemary. HTH! :-)
Post #207,793 by jbrabeck 5/17/05 10:19:19 AM Reply	Didn't know what you were talking about until I reread my post. Blurred eyes and fat fingers first thing in the morning. :-) A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #207,852 by CRConrad 5/17/05 4:45:58 PM Reply	But now you've orphaned my half of Scarborough Fair! :-) Yeah, I knew that was rather cryptic; it was supposed to be. That's what I call humour... Idunno, sometimes I have the tiniest twinge of suspicion that maybe my sense thereof is ever so slightly weird... Naah, can't be! :-) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #207,855 by Another Scott 5/17/05 5:02:27 PM Reply	:-)
Post #207,859 by jbrabeck 5/17/05 5:36:06 PM Reply	Partly sage ... Ok, now it's unorphaned. :-) A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #207,860 by Ashton 5/17/05 5:38:37 PM Reply	Nahhh.. yer just good at parsleying the doggerel here :-\ufffd
Post #207,891 by Nightowl 5/17/05 10:12:12 PM Reply	Re: It's quite thyme, though. And rather rosemary. HTH! :-) Actually, Rosemary is my sister. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #207,892 by Nightowl 5/17/05 10:15:08 PM 5/17/05 10:19:37 PM Reply	Re: What's annoying... ...is your leap from "my brother sent money to a random person" to "eBay isn't a safe or secure place to do business". I never said E-bay was "not a safe or secure place to do business". I said I don't trust it. That's my personal opinion, nothing else. No-one here cares one jot whether you become an eBay Power Seller or whether you never log on to the thing in your life. It's your unsubstantiated assertions about safety and security (based on the fact that your brother was a plank) that are being challenged. Having had no knowledge of e-bay and it's practices (other than it being an auction online service), up until this thread, I had no idea checks or cash were discouraged. so how was I to know he was stupid? I didn't until I asked him again, and he explained it better. Not everyone grew up in the electronic age. My dad still won't have a credit card, for example. Done here, nothing to see. Brenda (Still trying to figure out how this started with Star Wars and wound up the Battle of e-Bay ;) Hehe!) "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr Edited by Nightowl May 17, 2005, 10:17:00 PM EDT Edited by Nightowl May 17, 2005, 10:18:42 PM EDT Edited by Nightowl May 17, 2005, 10:19:37 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #207,965 by jb4 5/18/05 11:47:49 AM Reply	Suggestion... (new thread) Created as new thread #207964 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=207964\|Suggestion...] jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #207,725 by CRConrad 5/16/05 6:12:46 PM Reply	It's quite simple, really: Brenda is even worse than your... ...average Yank at saying what she means, because her control of Engrish is even worse than the average Yank's. She might be gibbering about "established" and "reputable" sites, but don't let that fool you -- that's just not what she meant to say. Yeah, I know; communication would be so much easier if people would only learn to communicate, wouldn't it? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #207,730 by Another Scott 5/16/05 6:19:15 PM Reply	"After all, it isn't only not just the words, isn't it?"-HN
Post #207,695 by pwhysall 5/16/05 4:31:20 PM Reply	Teehee I was going to chime in, but couldn't resist a giggle when you did :-) Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,798 by a6l6e6x 5/17/05 11:27:36 AM Reply	But, eBay fights crime! [link\|http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/17/ipod_buglar/\|the Register]: A US mum tracked down a thief who burgled her home after the ill-gotten gains were offered for sale on eBay. Karen Todd, a US Census Bureau computer programmer, spotted a personally-inscribed iPod on the auction site weeks after it was robbed from her Washington DC area home. o o o I was shocked and almost in tears," Todd told the Washington Post. "I was like, 'That's mine! That's mine!' I was just floored. When I found it, I clicked on 'see seller's other items,' and when I scrolled through, lo and behold, there was my [laptop]." Todd reported the find to police who traced the stolen items back through a Maryland sports memorabilia dealer - who unwittingly offered several sets of stolen goods for sale - to Ibrahima Kalil Toure, 21, the suspected burglar. Toure was subsequently charged with 12 counts of burglary realating to breaks-ins at various homes in the DC area. He is in jail on remand awaiting trial. Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #207,802 by bionerd 5/17/05 11:34:59 AM Reply	And so do stupid criminals! This guy was a real moron.
Post #207,807 by hnick 5/17/05 12:07:20 PM Reply	Don't be so critical Stupidity is extremely common these days. It's hard to excel. Give the mope a little credit, will you?
Post #207,861 by Ashton 5/17/05 5:41:42 PM Reply	'Common'? - why.. it's a meeja-sponsored Growth Industry!

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