THAT-IS-THE-ANSWER!

Post #206,245

5/6/05 7:29:39 AM

THAT-IS-THE-ANSWER!

Why I switched to Exim and maildrop. (thanks for the maildrop clue Peter)

Exim(with exiscan integrated)-Courier(POP/POP3S, IMAP/IMAPS, Maildrop)-ClamAV-SpamAssassin

That is the ticket for me.

And, by far, sendmail is Bullshit. WHO would choose to use m4. Yes... I know, it is well know. But damn, plain engrish is so much better-ified.

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Post #206,246

by Another Scott

5/6/05 7:35:22 AM

Sendmail's great.

I mean, it's clear as day once you memorize the [link|http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/|1232 page Bat book]. Sending e-mail to another server is complicated, anyone can see that. It should be expected that a person who wants to do that needs to spend a little time figuring out how to do it right.

That's also why we have children memorize [link|http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/principia-mathematica/|Principia Mathematica] before we teach arithmetic.

HTH!

Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #206,253

by imric

5/6/05 8:53:03 AM

Webmin is the missing piece

With it, it's easier to admin than Exim (sorry, Peter).

Now, having said that, if your distro does not support it, like Debian (Debian's implementation of Sendmail is BROKEN), then it is a enormous PITA to set up. In my months-long quest to set up virtual addresses, Webmin and Sendmail, I learned more about Sendmail and virtusertable than I ever wanted to know. Seriously. I still don't want to know, but I-CAN'T-CLAW-IT-OUT-OF-MY-HEAD.

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #206,255

by Another Scott

5/6/05 9:13:47 AM

ICLRPD (new thread)

Created as new thread #206254 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=206254|ICLRPD]

Post #206,269

by folkert

5/6/05 10:18:58 AM

Have that book...

I have the earlier version 2.

But, I used to prefer sendmail with procmail, until I was introduced to Exim.

Since then, I divorced sendmail for exim and switched to maildrop from procmail, as well.

I don't see any performance or config reasons for sendmail anymore.

Yes, it took me quite a while to get my arms around exim, but once done, it feels like a logical extension of the OS, vs. being Stapled and duct-taped on, with wires and clamps holding all the piece together.

Yes, go on and continue to use sendmail. It just makes the problems I am seeing as: Not My Problem.

Exim can handle just about anything you can think of to shove at it. Sendmail still chokes on bad headers if not config'd properly to deal with them, but that produces overhead.

Oh well. And the Webmin thing is not a problem. Skip if you familiarized yourself with exim4 on a testing basis... you'd see my point.

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Post #206,272

by imric

5/6/05 10:37:58 AM

Actually

If you'll remember my reason for the webmin requirement, I have a php script that manipulates sendmail via webmin from another box. I didn't really want to rewrite it to modify the exim config directly - I was open to it, had it been reasonably easy to duplicate virtusertable functionality, but...

Like I said, I'll revisit this sometime in the future; If I like exim enough maybe I'll look at the webmin lack myself.

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Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #206,273

by folkert

5/6/05 10:46:06 AM

Yeah. It'll grow on you.

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